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There dose need to be something done about the location. Walking from the center to the trailer was a pain in the ass. To get stuff that we needed of forgot. Unloading was a nightmare too.
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Problem I see is there is nothing in this for the cars that are expensive to build... the street classes did their part in bringing in people. The Extreme and Super Street classes have nothing to look forward to except for a 8 ft trophy and some pride. If you could make some sort of purse at DB Drag world finals and give people something to shoot for all season it would probally bring people out of the woodwork. If it cost someone a 2nd mortgage on their home to build a car and they see all they can get is an 8ft trophy well I guess I wouldn't see the point. Most of the cars I saw in Super Street were all sponsored cars or cars owned by shops. I for one wouldn't mind paying an extra $10-$15 entry fee per show that goes into a kiddy for a World Finals pot. [/QB][/QUOTE]
We've treid that for years, with no results. This would bring the excitement back indeed, and bring some old players back to the game. Try something at Daytona Wayne, see how well the turnout is. Unless you're well off, the life expectancy in this sport as a competitor is very short compared to others, because the incentives are small.
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i say KC, its in the middle and usac finals always has a huge crowd...bartel hall might be a bit big though
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quote:Originally posted by CN_Sounds: i guess best of show has a different meaning now !
yeah,it means that Jimmy Z won!
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Alaska sounds good it wont be hot and we know that good things happen when its COLD!!
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Wow, it's good to see that people have kept things positive.
I like the idea of moving Finals if it will result in greater competitor participation and spectator attendance. Vegas would be fun outside of the show, but I agree that the interest would not be there for our sport. I think that Finals needs to be more centralized so maybe Wayne could look into that?
Money needs to be awarded to winners at Finals PERIOD.
Sam's concept for the locals is awesome! I think that it would work the same as Mini Street, but that only one concept should be adopted to save confusion.
Wayne, you mention points and certified requirements need touched on for Finals invitees. I think that if you want 300 vehicles, then you will need to lower points requirements, or even have show attendance requirements. When I say that, I mean that competitors be required to attend 1-triple, 2-doubles and maybe 5 single pointers. Maximum points possible would then be 96 points if the competitor gets first at each event. That is not likely, but it is likely that the competitor would attend 7 total events without issues. This would also work well with the proposal of severely limiting the number of certified events. This would increase the attendance as well at certified events. Again, this was just an example. Have you thought of adopting the points multiplier per state again? Cali could have used it this past year. Same with New York. I don't think competitors have an issue with driving out of state for certified events, but driving 300 plus miles for a single pointer is ridiculous and I share their concern with that.
Jared, I really like the size restrictions on amplifiers. You woke up on the right side of the bed today. Putting that College edumacation to good use I see. I think that it needs some fine tuning but that is an idea that should be implemented.
Wayne, have you looked at my post regarding the MONSTER division? I would really like your input please.
quote:Originally posted by TeamSubGoPoof: lets have it in alaska, or at Hawaii...=)
Vegas is a TRIP, its longer from Maine/Vegas then CA/Vegas....although it might be worth it, i just don't see vegas as having a huge dbdrag intrest
its longer from ca-tenn than alabama-tenn... again this is the only arguement about vegas, its too far to drive, my puss hurts... most car audio companies are alot closer to vegas than tenn... that means it will cost them less to get their booths to the show, alot less time taken off, and more companies... also more people around vegas than tenn, oklahoma, and texas... ever been to a thing called sema or ces... that is packed, it wouldn't be as packed if it wasn't in vegas...
everything is positive for vegas except those who are complaining about the drive... west coasters have made the trip to tenn many times, since none of you complaining have, you have nothing to talk about.
quote:Originally posted by BIG YUKON T: I think it would go a LONG way if Sam Horn's format was looked at for entry level classes without finals invites. There is a level of crowd and competitor participation that is unmatched. I tried this last season and there was an actual rush, something I have not experienced since about my second show. It was good to get that feeling back!
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The expo center in Tulsa would be a great venue. IASCA Finals was there in 92 and 93. Oklahoma has become a hot-bed for db drag.
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quote:Originally posted by Bobby Riley: The expo center in Tulsa would be a great venue. IASCA Finals was there in 92 and 93. Oklahoma has become a hot-bed for db drag.
Finally!Someone else who has been there and knows what I'm talking about! It is used every February for the Darryl Starbird car show and I think it might be big enough. It is ONLY the size of 9 football fields internally with NO support poles to drive around (was the worlds largest free-standing roof structure at one time). At the Starbird show every year they have over 1100 cars,vendor booths,2 stages,monster trucks,motorcycle jumps,bleachers for all of that...and it's under ONE roof! I think Wayne could get his 300 cars easily in half of the building.
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If we go with seperate Finals venues, maybe go with 3.
1 in Vegas for the west coast
1 in Oklahoma for the midwest folks
1 in Virginia (there is no building in NC that can hold finals) for the East coast. I don't think there would be a single complaint about driving then. Lets use the technology on the Termlab that is there. Maybe have one or 2 shows linked first to get the glitches out.
Instead of leaning on manufacturers for money, maybe lean more on the retailer and shops. Charge admission to get in, and by renting smaller venues, it may be cheaper. Get some local support. Sign up a shop to help support finals, let them promote finals and build it up for us. Cut them some slack on the show charges. Maybe make them an "Official Finals Promotor", give them the exclusive rights to multi point events. Reward them with the larger shows.
Example: Danny Britan signs on to be a "Official Finals Promotor" for the Oklahoma section. He gets exclusive multipoint shows in say.....a 400 mile radius. He gets the bigger show, he gets more money, and more competitors which help his business. BUT, he doesnt have to pay $500 a show (or whatever it is now). But, he does have to hold a certain number of shows a year since he's a Finals promotor. Which would also be a great thing to advertise for customers. Ehhh, rambling
quote:Originally posted by VegaS10: If we go with seperate Finals venues, maybe go with 3.
1 in Vegas for the west coast
1 in Oklahoma for the midwest folks
1 in Virginia (there is no building in NC that can hold finals) for the East coast. I don't think there would be a single complaint about driving then.
Lets use the technology on the Termlab that is there. Maybe have one or 2 shows linked first to get the glitches out.
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Palmeto Expo Center in Greenville, SC could be large enough to hold something like that.
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quote:Originally posted by VegaS10: If we go with seperate Finals venues, maybe go with 3.
1 in Vegas for the west coast
1 in Oklahoma for the midwest folks
1 in Virginia (there is no building in NC that can hold finals) for the East coast. I don't think there would be a single complaint about driving then. Lets use the technology on the Termlab that is there. Maybe have one or 2 shows linked first to get the glitches out.
Instead of leaning on manufacturers for money, maybe lean more on the retailer and shops. Charge admission to get in, and by renting smaller venues, it may be cheaper. Get some local support. Sign up a shop to help support finals, let them promote finals and build it up for us. Cut them some slack on the show charges. Maybe make them an "Official Finals Promotor", give them the exclusive rights to multi point events. Reward them with the larger shows.
Example: Danny Britan signs on to be a "Official Finals Promotor" for the Oklahoma section. He gets exclusive multipoint shows in say.....a 400 mile radius. He gets the bigger show, he gets more money, and more competitors which help his business. BUT, he doesnt have to pay $500 a show (or whatever it is now). But, he does have to hold a certain number of shows a year since he's a Finals promotor. Which would also be a great thing to advertise for customers. Ehhh, rambling
This is an excellent idea. We could even hold the events on seperate weekends, so the same judges could attend all. Then tally up the winning scores at the end. I know finals would have a lot more participants if this happens.
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I would think that a Finals in Vegas would be cool but the bulk of the competitors are toward the east. I don't see a huge turn out. I'm not complaining, just pointing out a problem with that scenario. Just plunk it down in the middle of the U.S. it's simple logistics and makes the most sense to the majority. I would encourage Wayne to select 2-3 locations then send out a ballot with each 2005 competitor pack and let the competitors decide the outcome. All ballots would need to be in by a given date. This would also get people to purchase their memberships sooner.
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I have mixed feelings about Vegas, sure everyone knows its "The Place to Be" but would it be in the best interest of Dbdrag?
Maybe its just me but going to Vegas is party and Gambling time for me, but there are lots of competitors under the age of 21 that could land themselves in trouble out there.
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If you split up all the competitors I feel that Finals will be missing something huge first off. The best thing about dbdrag is giong head to head and getting the same judging, being able to see every car, getting to speak with all the people you haven't meet through out the year etc. I think one location must stay.
As for the location, I think Kansas City at Bartle hall or the Oklahoma sites sound awesome but the fact of the matter is the west is alot more dead when it comes to dbdrag then the midwest, virgina, florida areas. I understand that the guys from Vegas and CA area want to see it closer but you are alot smaller portion than the other side of the country which is why I kind of don't see this happening from Waynes point of view. Nashville is more in the middle of dbdragracing competitors as a whole, maybe not the middle of the country but about the best place posible for the finals. If it wasn't moved to KC I couldn't see this happening.
As for Ampliefier changes, same old shi+ different day, we finally have amp rules that are working perfectly and allowing the all hated CRX to not have such an advantage and you guys are still complaining. I just don't see it. THe only thing people are complaining about is the Crown really, am I wrong? This amp has been out for two years and no one seemed to care last year? The issue comes in that a vehicle only has so much room in the first place, we have battery rules in place to curve the power people can get out amps, and their are several amps that are just as powerful as teh ones you guys are talking about, everyone just wants to make excuses. The crown happened to win the lower class this year so everyone wants to complain like its a big conspiricay that has to be changed when in all actuallity if the 9.0 had one you guys would still be complaining about it being to expense and haveing a MSRP limit like last year or if the SPL whatever would have one, it would be that we can't get that over here so its not fair. If the colosus had been allowed you would all be complaining about that because its two amps but since it wasn't you guys are all complaining that its crap it was banned. See what I'm saying, every year people complain about every single amp that does well in street class getting Wayne to change the rule and in turn alienating even more people than before and its just goes in a big cycle. I can see it now, limit amp size, a company will make a super compact board and everyone will complain about its casing or that they used the top and bottom or this and that, I can only imagine the can of worms coming form that one. Leave the rules alone for once so people can know what to expect every year and not get pissed and leave.
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quote:Originally posted by orphan440: If you split up all the competitors I feel that Finals will be missing something huge first off. The best thing about dbdrag is giong head to head and getting the same judging, being able to see every car, getting to speak with all the people you haven't meet through out the year etc. I think one location must stay.
I enjoyed the people at finals more then finals itself.. its more then just about the competing.. its about the expereience..
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I said it earlier and I'll say it again, the rules are just fine the way they are. They were proven to work at finals, a CRX didn't win street A. Stop trying to limit everything and get to work on your install.
As far as having more than one finals, the only reason I would agree is if there was one site here and one in Europe and we could compete head to head. I know the time would be a problem but I'm sure it could be worked out. I for one would be happy to start at 4-5 in the morning if it meant a more of a true "World" finals.
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quote: (was the worlds largest free-standing roof structure at one time).
Yeah, Until Scotty burps his van and the roof crashes down on all of us!
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