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"The approval of this proposition would result in the following rule addition... Competition vehicles and autosound systems may NOT be altered during competition at any MULTIPOINT event. Damaged equipment may only be replaced with equivalent components. For example, you could replace a blown 400 watt amp with another brands 400 watt amp. You could not replace a 400 watt amp with a 1000 watt amp at the show."
i sgree with the equipment changing aspect of this, but does this mean that if you are at a two day show, you can't work on your box? that would be altering the competition vehicle IMO.....
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I ALSO agree with that rule, and also agree with you, I think that you SHOULD be able to work on your box though, and from what I read, this only refers go like amps......dunno, but if not, then yeah it needs to be re worded.
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I think that rule STINKS! and I voted accordingly.
At a two day event, not being able to upgrade or alter your amps takes a LOT of the anticipation and fun out of a comp.
It's that "uncertainty" factor that even though you beat your foe in qualifying, are you going to beat him again in eliminations? That's half of the 2 day events.
This form of rule would cost shops holding local shows hundreds. I've seen people make a run, not hit a number they want, then run in and buy a bigger amp and rerun. Not allowing that won't allow the local shops a possible income and it garuntees that you can't improve once you hit qualifying.
I also think this rule is BAD for db drag and shouldn't be in the new rule book...
thoughts?
Steve
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quote:Originally posted by jliehr: No offense, but we could just go with the overwhealming majority who voted in favor of this.
that wasn't the point i was trying to make....i agree with the equipment changes. i voted that way too. what i'm saying is that the way it is worded, you would not be allowed to make changes to enclosures, or in the extreme classes, any changes to the cabin at a multipoint. i think you should be able to work on the enclosures and the cabins.
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In my humble opinion, I think that this is an excellant idea. Anyone who isn't pleased with the results of the equipment they are showing up with at a competition should know that BEFORE they enter the lanes.
This switching amps after qualifying with a "Better" one is ridiculous and anyone who has to stoop to doing this type of thing during a competition has no business being there.
BTW, I have NO objection to replacing a broken amp, speaker or other component with a replacement that TRULY is comparable.
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Please note that in this proposition it states that only at MULTI-POINT events will this issue be enforced.
With that said I do agree and took it to mean that the equipment itself could not be changed out for better equipment. However I also took it to mean that if I wanted to hack the crap out of my port that I could do that as the example given in the proposistion stated comparable amps/subs.
I may be mistaken in my understanding of the proposition.
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quote:Originally posted by Bumpin' Yota: I think that rule STINKS! and I voted accordingly.
At a two day event, not being able to upgrade or alter your amps takes a LOT of the anticipation and fun out of a comp.
It's that "uncertainty" factor that even though you beat your foe in qualifying, are you going to beat him again in eliminations? That's half of the 2 day events.
This form of rule would cost shops holding local shows hundreds. I've seen people make a run, not hit a number they want, then run in and buy a bigger amp and rerun. Not allowing that won't allow the local shops a possible income and it garuntees that you can't improve once you hit qualifying.
I also think this rule is BAD for db drag and shouldn't be in the new rule book...
thoughts?
Steve
dude, are you sayin the way you sand bag is by using different amps?
i got a tip for ya, if you want to hold some back, why dont you turn the volume knob down, that might save you some $$ snd time.
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if you guys seen what was going on in the street 1-2 pit stall section at the finals then you'll understand the approval of this proposition.
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I think this rule stinks also. Not everyone can afford a meter to have at home and comps are the only way to find out what they are hitting and you should be allowed to change stuff around. Just because some people, admitingly, screwed up at finals,now we have more rules. I mean I have never seen so many rules for a sport that is supposed to be fun. And the only thing there is to win is some respect, which outside the car audio world, is worthless. I am really getting fed up with all this. I do not plan on following this rule at all. How is anyone to know? You go to a dB Drag SHOW and SEE nothing. Everyone has there car buttoned up tighter than a nun's legs. Then I can not tell you haw many times I go to look at someones car and I get "Can I help you?" So with cars sealed up how will anybody know?
Everyone was supposed to have cars open at Finals. Yeah Right! And All of Wayne's finest judges were there and they did nothing. So how will only one judge at a multipoint?
Why don't we make the rule " you can only switch amplifiers if the amp manufacturer has a dB drag membership" Then competitors who run them can benefit.And the manufacturer gets to pay $1000 so wayne can get better mics. just my .02
dude, are you sayin the way you sand bag is by using different amps?
i got a tip for ya, if you want to hold some back, why dont you turn the volume knob down, that might save you some $$ snd time.
I take extreme offense to that comment...I NEVER hold back on ANYTHING I do. It's balls to the wall at EVERYTHING - EVERYTIME.
This rule doesn't make sense at all...I STILL don't see what's wrong with changing amps in the middle of a multipointer - as long as you can afford them. Or if a competitor can get an amp manufacturer to give them amps - more power to them. That's what this sport is about - CONSTANT IMPROVEMENT. I for one like extreme levels of competition and I know for a fact that sandbagging doesn't get you anywere.
Wizeguy4 made a VERY valid point, how are you going to enforce this? Damn near every dude had 5% tint on ALL the windows.
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quote:Originally posted by THE-SCRAPER: if you guys seen what was going on in the street 1-2 pit stall section at the finals then you'll understand the approval of this proposition.
Please enlighten me...
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This rule doesn't make sense at all...I STILL don't see what's wrong with changing amps in the middle of a multipointer - as long as you can afford them. Or if a competitor can get an amp manufacturer to give them amps - more power to them. That's what this sport is about - CONSTANT IMPROVEMENT. I for one like extreme levels of competition and I know for a fact that sandbagging doesn't get you anywere.
We are not going to start this again. Steve, if you would like to know the true story as to what happened from a spectator and not a competitor, please email me.
To Iansdad, some things may come back to bite ya if your not careful. Saying going with better equipment is low and shouldn't be allowed in the lanes, but was it not Ian that went to the Earthquake booth and got his amp "upgraded" or added "more power" before he went again? I'm not completley sure. I'm not saying what he did was wrong, but it may be a little better to think before you speak next time
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Hey Iggy, actually we had a broken amp that was given to us beforehand to use as a backup from a fellow competitor. It was indeed repaired at the Earthquake booth. It was the SAME amp as what we used throughout the entire weekend, and I believe we never used it anyway.
Not to worry; no offense taken! As you know we are always open to comments and questions!
Besides...you know I am referring to those Zapcos that popped up.
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but was it not Ian that went to the Earthquake booth and got his amp "upgraded" or added "more power" before he went again? I'm not completley sure.
here is the deal:
i borrowed 2 d2's from john bennett before finals. one was blown, and one had really weak output. i took them both to faddy to get repaired. the one that was blown he said would have to be sent in, and the other one he repaired by putting all new mosfets in. there are 2 mods that can be done to d2's. one is an extra pair of capacitors that makes the amps more stable at low impedance, and the other is something that adds alot of power, but makes the amps less reliable.
i had the capacitors added, because we ran the am at .5 ohm, the power increase was like 200 watts, or something, nothing substantial enough to make a differance.
this was all done friday night, and the amp was put in and not replaced at all throughout the weekend. i know of a few other people that had the mod done that adds more power, but we were not one of them.
thanks for your concern though.
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i borrowed 2 d2's from john bennett before finals. one was blown, and one had really weak output. i took them both to faddy to get repaired. the one that was blown he said would have to be sent in, and the other one he repaired by putting all new mosfets in. there are 2 mods that can be done to d2's. one is an extra pair of capacitors that makes the amps more stable at low impedance, and the other is something that adds alot of power, but makes the amps less reliable.
i had the capacitors added, because we ran the am at .5 ohm, the power increase was like 200 watts, or something, nothing substantial enough to make a differance.
this was all done friday night, and the amp was put in and not replaced at all throughout the weekend. i know of a few other people that had the mod done that adds more power, but we were not one of them.
thanks for your concern though.
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So you're saying that you used non-commerically available equipment in the street class at finals. If an amp has been modded, I don't see that as being commercially available unless it appears as an option for EVERYONE purchasing a D2. For example, could I call Earthquake and ask for them to sell me a modded D2, even if I'm not a competitor? Could I walk into a store and buy a modded D2 from a retailer? These are all not commercially available and should not have been allowed to run at finals.
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So you're saying that you used non-commerically available equipment in the street class at finals. If an amp has been modded, I don't see that as being commercially available unless it appears as an option for EVERYONE purchasing a D2. For example, could I call Earthquake and ask for them to sell me a modded D2, even if I'm not a competitor? Could I walk into a store and buy a modded D2 from a retailer? These are all not commercially available and should not have been allowed to run at finals.
since earthquake offered the modification to me i would assume that it is commericially available. it is not the competitors responsibility to determine what is "commericially available" but the manufacturers and the dBDra's.
from what i know every d2 in the street class at finals had this modifactaion done.
p.s. It is people like you that make me hate this forum, and make competitions not fun.
on a side note, what class will you be competiting in in 2002? just curious
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We are not going to start this again. Steve, if you would like to know the true story as to what happened from a spectator and not a competitor, please email me.
Steve if you would like to know the true story as to what happened from a COMPETITOR and not a spectator.................e-mail me! ha-ha-ha-ha
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