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OK Matt here is my DB drag History in a nutshell. 8 whole shows.
But what i was thinking since you said you were not crying about anything in the other post. I would like to challenge you to come play in super street with me. oh say 5-8. hey havent you been in that class before? oh well. yeah so ss5-8 you and me this year race to finals. whatcha think?
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Shawn right now yeah thats the looks of it! I had just told Jason earlier Jim was gonna be a big concern if 5-8 is what i decided to do. but ill know more definate plans between now and the end of february.
Thats a shame Matt i was really hopin you would get over this fear of leaving street class.
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I see everyone bash the dude Matt for wanting to stay in street. Thats crazy, because here is how I look at it. This is hobby for him and everyone else that does this. Sometimes people just dont have the means to put together a big vehicle. So just because they might not be able to afford to buy a van, buy an assload of equipment, does that mean that they cant participate and have fun. Maybe Im way off base here, but it just seems that people are quick to jump down the dudes throat alot.
Its blagrent that Wayne is trying to keep the "Pros" out of the Novice street class. But the regular street class I personally feel is a whole lot more competitive than the bigger classes, and it enables alot of people to keep competing.
Just my thoughts.
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I agree with ben on the fact that you guys gotta back off matts nutz. Why is it such a concern to you anyways as to what class he competes in? If it is such a big deal why not challenge him at his own game? Hey theres a thought.
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quote: Why is it such a concern to you anyways as to what class he competes in? If it is such a big deal why not challenge him at his own game? Hey theres a thought.
Hey ss 5-8 would be his own game since he has competed in that class before also.Did you ever think about that.
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Hey ss 5-8 would be his own game since he has competed in that class before also.Did you ever think about that.
I don't know Matt very well, but have talked to him a couiple times. I got respect for him, he's pretty cool. If he has been in 5-8, and so have you...and you've done atleast "ok" at it, then why can't you do something as "easy" as street? I dare you to do a 155 with a couple 12"s, stock everything, and NOT a caravan. It is possible...so why not go to Matt's level? Hell! I'll even join in the battle Just e-mail me and we'll get some betting going! lol Pretty funny since my dad just bought me a broken CRX for $150 bucks to fix up...maybe that'll be my fixer upper for this little battle? C-ya at finals...make an s1-2 car!
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Well see here is my deal i have never done a ss5-8 car i competed in ss1-2 at one show my first ever dbdrag only cause my car wasnt legal for street(extra battery). and once in extreme cause i had some panels cut for mounting eqs in the rear and for some reason they stuck me in extremeat my second show. and as far as the only other shows i have been to i did my best score(147.7) with 1 autotek 12 and a matts d200hc. and other than that i have no previous dbdrag experience other than spectator. So i figured if i could move to a SS class why cant a world champ and world finalist move up and quit crying about it. Also i never said i didnt like matt. I think he is cool too. He has accomplished alot.
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I dont know Matt and I wasnt bashing him. I just know we have a pretty frickin loud SS 5-8 and was not only challenging Matt but Terry too, and I know him! We have made alot of friends in the same classes that we are in but while running things are different, but after the run whether you win or lose its all good again.
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quote:I agree with ben on the fact that you guys gotta back off matts nutz. Why is it such a concern to you anyways as to what class he competes in? If it is such a big deal why not challenge him at his own game? Hey theres a thought
quote: How 'bout you go to his class
after i read these statements by iggy and vega i was laughing so hard you guys would have been like wtf? is he laughing so hard for? well you see htere is this little thing that makes it impossible for me to go to Matts class.......
competitors who qualify for the world finals must move up into either the super street or extreme divisions the following season.
now that tells me that if matt doesn't move to SS or extreme.... Matt doesn't have a class for me to "come to". So the challenge still stands.
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I totally dont understand how someone can argure about a rule that has been in place for a year now. It was determined that finals atendees would have to move to a SS class last year. How is that so hard?
The whole arguement of "I cant afford to be in NW, or I dont want to tear up my car" kinda sounds like me saying "yea, im fat and have no ability, but I should be allowed to play in the NBA.
If you aren't willing to make the commitment and sacrafices that it takes to make it in the NW class, then dont. But DO NOT complain that an allowance should be made because of it.
NOBODY is saying you cant compete all you want. Just saying your not going to finals again in street. Deal with it.
quote:I totally dont understand how someone can argure about a rule that has been in place for a year now. It was determined that finals atendees would have to move to a SS class last year. How is that so hard?
What "I Totally Don't Understand" is why it is "So Hard" for people to understand that a lot of people want a limited cost, limited vehicle mod, and limited power/woofer size class to compete in, either because they like the challenge of attempting big numbers with serious limitations, or because they can't afford the money/time/vehicle to destroy - that any of the SS classes require.(No offense, Nate!)
When the 'Must-move-up' rule was written, it was written with regard to the only existing nubie/beginner class, now there is a new nubie/beginner class that wasn't in existence when the 'Must-move-up' rule was written last season...it's called the Novice class, not the Street class, so why would a rule which was designed to protect the nubie class from 'experts' still exist for a non-nubie class? - Just because it was written last season? ?
Changes are just that, changes, and many people belive that this also should be changed, and should not apply to a non-nubie class.
...There will always be some who are stupid, too stupid in fact to ever build anything loud and therefore also afraid to move up to a SS class, but that is no proof that EVERYONE who wants to compete in a Street level class is afraid to move up or stupid, maybe they are stupid and afraid, or maybe they aren't stupid or afraid at all, but just want to be in a 2-12" woofer class BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY LIKE!
Personally I think it is wrong to isolate those who do well from the class where they do well IF there is now a new beginner class in place below the class from where those people are being isolated.
And what difference does it make if the people who were invited to finals last season aren't able to 'compete' in the Street class this season, if they are helping to build another winning Street system this season for someone else, it's still their expertise putting that car at the top...
quote: I guess they should have let me keep playing high school football for as long as I wanted, Since I truly enjoyed it
LMAO! I could just see you, Nate, out there on the High School field - YOU'LD KILL THEM!!!
Obviously not! - High School is a limited AGE organization, dB Drag has no age restrictions - but you could have been in a local (city parks) baseball league when you were in High School that you could still be playing in.
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Sorry Mr. Jackson...........Sorry if you I didn't comprehend my statement more clearly and sorry if you didn't interpret it as I intended it to be.....but here are the facts. Matt qualified for finals in Street.......therefore Matt can't compete in Street 1-2 next season...Correct? I never said in my previous statement that you had to go to street to face him. I'm just saying why is it such a big concern to you as to what class he competes in (does he have a lot of arguments as to why he should....maybe)...but who cares man just let it be.
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quote: When the 'Must-move-up' rule was written, it was written with regard to the only existing nubie/beginner class, now there is a new nubie/beginner class that wasn't in existence when the 'Must-move-up' rule was written last season...it's called the Novice class, not the Street class, so why would a rule which was designed to protect the nubie class from 'experts' still exist for a non-nubie class? - Just because it was written last season? ?
The rule from last season does not affect the newbie class it affects the street class. the same street class that was here last year when the rule was made. the newbie clas was thought of this year, and as far as street goes i think the way it is to be interpreted and used is for the people that TRY the newbie class and decide they want to make a run for finals. Then they still have a level playing field. a class that you can get to finals without having to go against people that have WAY more experience in dbdrag. If anyof this is that hard to understand then so be it. i just dont understand why you are comparing the new newbie class to last years street class. Especially when the street class is the same as last years with some of the grey areas people wined about fixed.
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quote:Originally posted by Q: ea1 posted 01-27-2002 02:24 PM:
LMAO! I could just see you, Nate, out there on the High School field - YOU'LD KILL THEM!!!
Obviously not! - High School is a limited AGE organization, dB Drag has no age restrictions - but you could have been in a local (city parks) baseball league when you were in High School that you could still be playing in.
I guess that is where we differ in opinion. To me, one is limited by age, one is limited by experience, what is the big difference.
OK.. lets put it this way. I guess they should have let me keep playing college ball as long as I wanted, since I enjoyed it to (but not as much as high school )
But, collegiate sports are limited by EXPERIENCE, the same way that street class was set up to be last year. You can play college ball when your 30, as long as some of your 4 years of eligibility are still intact.
quote:The rule from last season does not affect the newbie class it affects the street class.the same street class that was here last year when the rule was made.
Obviously it affects the classes it was written for - last seasons Street classes, but the same holds true, the newbie 'Novice' classes are designed for 1st season competitors as I understand it.
quote:the newbie clas was thought of this year
Nope, you're mistaken, go read posts from prior to the 2000 season.
quote:and as far as street goes i think the way it is to be interpreted and used is for the people that TRY the newbie class and decide they want to make a run for finals. Then they still have a level playing field
Already been addressed;
No Caravan / Astro boxes up to the B pillar No Commercial vehicles No Changing equipment mid-stream Etc... Playing field leveled.
quote:a class that you can get to finals without having to go against people that have WAY more experience in dbdrag
Who do you think designs/builds the winning finals systems - Experienced people do.
quote:i just dont understand why you are comparing the new newbie class to last years street class
Because last seasons 'Street' classes were there for the nubies, this season the 'Novice' class is there for the nubies.
quote:the street class is the same as last years with some of the grey areas people wined about fixed
As I said, "Playing field leveled".
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