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All I am trying to get at is we need a class where you can be competitive with a limited number of equipment, it makes life fun. As far as being able to afford it 3 years ago.. yup, i could, I lived at home with my parents. Now i'm a full time college student, have a job, and also own my own house. You know how i afforded all the stuff in my car when i was in SS5-8? I racked up a bunch of credit cards and was in debt for years, I've finally got all that paid off, about 2 weeks ago i made the last payment. Its been a tough road getting back on top. Now i'm only trying to get a class implemented for us that can't afford a tow vehicle, trailor etc and still be able to compete. If no, I guess I'll just suck it up, get on with my life and watch from the sidelines. I'm not trying to get in any type of argument over this, just trying to find a way for everyone to compete in a sport that is enjoyed by all. So terry, have fun in 5-8, the 2001 street competitors have fun spending more money competing in a class you can't afford, and those that can't afford it, have fun watching. Bye.
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I think Sweet Sounds cleared everything up Good statements Made U DA MAN and good luck this yr........
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quote:Originally posted by Thumpin: the 2001 street competitors have fun spending more money competing in a class you can't afford, and those that can't afford it, have fun watching. Bye.
That's a sad an unfortunate point. But, look at the flip side. 2002 street competitors have fun trying to catch up with former world champions that have $6,000 amps and vast resources of knowledge. I am fairly certain that a certain yellow CRX had a 155+ in it if an unfortunate incident hadn't of occured. It is impressive that you pulled yourself out of debt and are now on the upswing. But I just wanted to point out that trying to compete against people like you, Q or anyone else will entail many new competitors to go into debt as well.
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quote:trying to compete against people like you, Q or anyone else will entail many new competitors to go into debt as well.
Isn't that exactly what it takes to be competitive in the upper classes, lots and lots of expensive equipment? So, in protecting the lowest class, you effectively bump some competitors out of the sport, unless they are also willing to commit a vehicle, and a whole lot more money than it would take for a new Street competitor to "catch up".
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quote:Originally posted by Q: Originally posted by jliehr:
Isn't that exactly what it takes to be competitive in the upper classes, lots and lots of expensive equipment? So, in protecting the lowest class, you effectively bump some competitors out of the sport, unless they are also willing to commit a vehicle, and a whole lot more money than it would take for a new Street competitor to "catch up".
Yes, it's a double-edged sword. However, nobody says you have to run 8 amps in NW. It would be possible to compete on a local level without the heavy investment. There are also always many opportunities to purchase used equipment at substantially lower prices if money is a concern. My #1 thought is if money is so tight and such a concern then one shouldn't be focused on finals; rather should just enjoy the local scene and maybe help fund a team car.
Just for argument's sake, let's take Q's truck. I believe you were in the 155 range with the 2 Solo Baric's and the 4KW? Let's hypothesize a situation where Q becomes a NW force. Q uses the rear of his truck, and mounts either another 4KW, or sells his 4KW and buys 8 amps with a slightly larger investment (8 used strapable 1000 watt amps at $400 each is $3,200, and 400 each is a large amount for an SS competitor to pay) then top that off with 4-8 batteries (let's say another $1,000 bucks?) and a battery charger and Q's little truck could do a 160 with $4,200 investment, and no cutting anywhere on the truck. Tell me that you couldn't afford $4,200?
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quote:then one shouldn't be focused on finals; rather should just enjoy the local scene and maybe help fund a team car.
Exactly, now apply that reasoning to the ones who 'supposedly' can't keep up with the past finals invitees if they were allowed to remain in the Street class!
quote:take Q's truck. I believe you were in the 155 range with the 2 Solo Baric's and the 4KW?
No, 154.9 after several burps to find my freq., with 2 L7 12" and a single ZAPCO 9.0.
Q's little truck could do a 160 with $4,200 investment, and no cutting anywhere on the truck
Are you saying that you are fairly sure that 2 L7 12" can hit 160dB? - and so what, a 160 won't even get me into the top 8 according to last season's top 8 at finals in SSNW!
Wow, a guaranteed spectatorship at finals for those who are wanting to be serious competitors!
To achieve the 163dB or so that will be needed to be in the top 8 at finals in this seasons LOWEST class - SSNW, it would be more like 4 Zapco 4Ks (8 9.0s, 1 per coil) and 2 Quadcoil 18s/21s, and a whole lot more than 8 Batteries - 2 8 volt per 9.0 maybe - 16 x $65 = over $1,000.00 right there, NOT including the connectors and wire needed to bring them all together into a low-loss power supply. And how about the 18s/21s?? - do you think they'll be less than $500.00 @! - no way!
...including gas, competitor fees at shows, wood, meter, amps, batteries, wire, connectors, podium, VEHICLE, TRAILER, - 10s of $1000s isn't far off just to be a 'World Class' competitor in SSNW - The LOWEST class above Street!!!
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I think this post has got the "beating the dead dog" syndrome.
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quote:I think this post has got the "beating the dead dog" syndrome.
Kinda' negative from someone with absolutely no shows on your termpro site, and who's windowbox says 18" woofers and 12000 watts... That's hardly a 'Street' system.
Yeah, let's have EVERYONE who has nothing to add to this discussion post their negative comments, that should be a great help, and really add to the discussion...
quote:Originally posted by Thumpin: the 2001 street competitors have fun spending more money competing in a class you can't afford, and those that can't afford it, have fun watching. Bye.
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Back in 02 my girlfriend said I had to make a choice between her and DB Drag....I told that b-tch I've made harder decisions at the Coke machine.
Kinda' negative from someone with absolutely no shows on your termpro site, and who's windowbox says 18" woofers and 12000 watts... That's hardly a 'Street' system.
Yeah, let's have EVERYONE who has nothing to add to this discussion post their negative comments, that should be a great help, and really add to the discussion...
Scott you must be confused who JustboB really is....
JustboB aka Bobby Riley is a retailer who supports and promotes Db Drag to the VERY fullest. His store had shows last year basically just for those whom were chasing poitns. I believe he had an average of 2-5 local competitors at each show. Money was oftenly loss hosting an event, but that wasn't a concern. Promoting the sport, however, was.
As far as Bob's 'street' system, he actually has a RF 10" bass tube off a RF 600.5.
As a retailer Bobby just as much right. if not more than you, to post as he is the one who HOSTS the shows and pays the 100 dollars a year for that priviledge...
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I think one word that was stated earlier sums Josh's post up rather well...
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If the point of NOVICE class is to get the "pro's" out of the entry level class and the point of STREET is to allow world class competitors to duke it out at finals, then why shouldn't we invite those who did the best in the past to put up or shut up (again)? That is what WORLD FINALS is supposed to be all about...at least that's what I've been told.
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are we talking about street or super street?
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Well, I'm guilty of a few off topic posts too from time to time, so maybe I was a little harsh, thank you for helping me to straighten out my wanton ways, I must have forgotten myself, you see, I thought we were having a discussion relevant to Novice/Street/potential Pro-Street, but I guess I was way off track with my comment about "negative comments", thank you again, Josh, for leading by example, and for showing me the straight and narrow path, I now know much better how a 'proper' strand should transpire, and I do feel so ...'enlightened'
Originally posted by Tinted:
quote:are we talking about street or super street?
Novice, Street, and a potential Pro-Street.
Originally posted by SweetSoundsAudio:
quote:If the point of NOVICE class is to get the "pro's" out of the entry level class and the point of STREET is to allow world class competitors to duke it out at finals, then why shouldn't we invite those who did the best in the past to put up or shut up (again)? That is what WORLD FINALS is supposed to be all about...at least that's what I've been told.
Jeff, that was perfectly put.
Especially since the winners of last season's finals have to go back to the drawing board being that Commercial vehicles and right-behind-the-seat-boxes in vans have been ruled illegal.
JustboB aka Bobby Riley is a retailer who supports and promotes Db Drag to the VERY fullest. His store had shows last year basically just for those whom were chasing poitns. I believe he had an average of 2-5 local competitors at each show. Money was oftenly loss hosting an event, but that wasn't a concern. Promoting the sport, however, was.
As a retailer Bobby just as much right. if not more than you, to post as he is the one who HOSTS the shows and pays the 100 dollars a year for that priviledge...
WORD.
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2009 US.Top Cert.St C 158.7 2008 US.Top Cert.St C 158.4 2008 25-48NW NSPL World Champion 2007 U.S.Top Cert. Street A,B,C 2005 Db Drag St A World Champion 2004 Db Drag US.record 642 points 2003 Db Drag Points World Champion http://www.maxxsonics.com/
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This may be a dumb thought here - but I don't remember there being this heated a debate when this rule was discussed and approved a year ago. As I recall, at the time most people thought it was a good idea. I could be incorrect in my memory, but I really don't remember there being any arguing like this about it when it was passed. And as it was passed a year ago, and street competitors in 2001 competed with the knowledge that a top-15 invite to finals, would put them out of street class, and it's not a rule that's up for voting this year - isn't this discussion as a whole moot?
Which does lead me to another question - what happens to competitors who weren't top-15 invitees who went in street classes (or who were invited and declined) - like the guys #16-20 who got invited. Some went, some did not. Do they also have to move up? The wording of the standing rule is top 15 invitees, right? So if you were #16 and went to finals, do you or don't you have to move? What if you were #17 and declined the invite? Just playing devil's advocate.
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quote:If the point of NOVICE class is to get the "pro's" out of the entry level class and the point of STREET is to allow world class competitors to duke it out at finals, then why shouldn't we invite those who did the best in the past to put up or shut up (again)? That is what WORLD FINALS is supposed to be all about...at least that's what I've been told.
Well according to Wayne this years street is the SAME as last years street with the exception of the rule changes we are voting on. SO this would mean the rule about moving up still adheres to this years street class.
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quote:Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
Kinda' negative from someone with absolutely no shows on your termpro site, and who's windowbox says 18" woofers and 12000 watts... That's hardly a 'Street' system.
Yeah, let's have EVERYONE who has nothing to add to this discussion post their negative comments, that should be a great help, and really add to the discussion...
quote:thank you again, Josh, for leading by example
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quote:I would review your stats page so that I could make comments toward you, but I can't seem to find that link.
#1) I believe Wayne has chosen to recognize my efforts in assisting with the petitiion at the '01 Finals by destroying any record of my having ever competed in DB Drag Racing, at least I assume this is his reason for doing so even though he has never corresponded with me in any way regarding this issue, nor have I yet to receive any replies from him to the several e-mails, and Private messages I have sent to him.
#2) You would have found 2 undefeated seasons in Street 1-2, approximately 34 shows.
#3) This is 'old news'.
#4) Your "dead dog" statement did not add to the ongoing discussion, rather it seemed to be in direct response to my post directly preceeding it, to which I found it rather offensive, and felt it served only to show your disdain toward those who were still interested in discussing the issue.
#5) You threw a Grenade, and I threw it back, B.F.D.
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