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I have done some more research, and found it quite disturbing about events. Many of the top points earners have many of their points from their local shops (mostly the same one) that run a show like very week or so. I won't name names, but, I feel that this is unfair to many of us. All the shows I've been to have the impression that they can only hold one show per season, at the same place, anyway. Well, if this not the case, I feel that it is important to make that clear. Then I can get local backing from a shop and earn my points that way. Then I don't have to put so much money into gas, mileage on my car, etc. That way, I might have a chance of making it to the finals. There is no way that will happen for me if things stay like this.
I love Db Drag, but it still is in development. New woofer classes show that. I'm not bashing on anyone, like some have claimed, I just want to know what is legal, and what is not. I always thought that you wanted to make Db Drag as fair as possible, but the normal people who compete without shop backing don't have a chance if this keeps up. The finals will consist of the same people every year (give or take), and the neccessity of points would be irrevialent. It becomes a competition of who's shop holds the most events, not of who tries the hardest and really earns their points. I've traveled well over 150 miles for shows, and taken fifth to their local cars. It just makes it very hard to keep the competition spirit alive if other people can just get another local show thrown so that they can have whatever points they need. Unfortunatley, Wayne, and everyone, it appears to be manipulation of the system. Instead of it being about what you got and how you use it, it ends up being about where you are instead. Someone in the upper penninsula of Michigan could clean the board if they got a local shop to host a show each weekend. Theoretically, from March first to say Oct. 15., that person could earn over 240 pts. with over 30 shows. That is without a triple points event or anything. And, how much competition could there be in a secluded area like that. Guaranteed First, I believe. I'd go to a show once if it were 200 miles away, but probably not again. If they had one each week, the competition would be so slim, its nuts. Easy points, it seems. I don't know, Wayne, it just doesn't seem right. If it stays like this, I don't know if I will have a lot of confidence in this sanction. I know that IASCA and USAC don't allow this, and I would probably have better chances with them. But, they went through a growing process, also. I hope that I am helping things by bringing this to your attention, if you were un-aware of it. If not, I apologize for wasting your time, and I hope that this situation doesn't destroy the integrity of this fine sport that you've pioneered. There's nothing else like, and anything like it would be a rip-off. Thanks for all the great times!!!
PLEASE EVERYONE, allow time for WAYNE respond to this. If you have someting to say on this, use the other points topic. That one got clouded, and I want Wayne to see this uncluttered. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, AT LEAST ALLOW ME THIS MUCH. I PROMISE TO SHUT UP AFTER HIS DECISION. PROMISE!!!
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The goal of the dBDRA is promote interest in auto sound and auto sound competition.
For 5 years we have worked diligently to make dB Drag Racing what it is today. I can remember a time not so long ago when other "unnamed" sanctioning organizations would not give SPL competitors the time of day. The same is true for the auto sound publications as well. I'm happy to say that the tables have turned.
To understand dB Drag Racing, you need to understand who our "customers" are.
First and foremost, there are the competitors. As an ex-competitor myself, it has always been my dream to create an organization where competitors were judged on the merits of their system, not on who they know or what type of equipment they use. In this regards, I believe that our actions speak for theirselves. This forum and my entire web site is dedicated to the auto sound enthusiast. We have a democratic method for implementing new rules or changing old ones. We are the only organization who provides a public forum for competitors to air their perspectives and viewpoints, both good and bad, regarding our association. And for those competitors who attended the Finals last year, I believe that they will attest to the fact that we value our competitors above all else.
Our second competitor is the retailer. Without the retailer, there would be few, if any, dB Drag Racing events. Most retailers do not host events out of the goodness of their hearts. They are in business to make money. We do our best here at the dBDRA to help our dealer members host successful events that are not only fun for the competitor and spectator, but profitable for their business as well. If a dealer consistently loses money when hosting an event, they will eventually pull the plug and everyone will lose. Dealers will typically be rewarded with the best success after they have created some momentum in the marketplace. We encourage retailers to host multiple events as it keeps everyone interested in the sport and dB Drag Racing. Our goal is to "capture" interest in the sport and dB Drag Racing and "encourage" new competitors to participate. Obviously, this is good for the retailer as he will see additional business as competitors increase the size of their systems in an effort to win at future events. Please keep this in mind. Retailers are primarily interested in their LOCAL customers. It is rare that someone will drive in from out of town and make a purchase at the retailer's store during a dB Drag Racing event. Our gratitude goes out to all retailers because they ALLOW non-local participants to compete in their event. We ENCOURAGE retailers to host multiple events, as long as those events are legitimate in nature and not done in such a way as to artificially pump up a competitor's points standings. Our guidelines suggest that dealers do not host more than 1 event per month. However, we do not prohibit a dealer from hosting more than that if they so desire. We do stipulate, however, that a retailer may not host an event on a given date if another retailer is hosting an event on the same date within a 50 mile radius. When this occurs, the retailer who registered their event first gets priority.
Our third customer is the spectator. All competitors were originally spectators at one time or another. Spectators are critical for the continued success of our organization. For one, this is where our competitors come from. Secondly, this is who the retailer sells his product to. Lastly, participation by spectators makes the event fun and exciting.
Our fourth customer is the manufacturer. Manufacturer support is critical to the success of dB Drag Racing. Manufacturers provide the majority of the revenues that are used to sustain the dBDRA. Manufacturers are business for one reason only; To make money. The more retailers that host dB Drag Racing events, the more revenues are produced at the retail level. This, in turn, benefits the manufacturer by boosting the sales of their products. It's like a big "food chain."
I would like to conclude by saying this. It takes all of us, competitors, retailers, spectators, and manufacturers to make this sport successful. If we remove any one element, the sport will die. We must grow or we will die. Right now, we have more events taking place than any other sound off organization in history. But that's today. We must continue moving forward. We must continue to get retailers involved. You must help by "encouraging" the retailer to get involved.
Thanks for your participation!
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Thank you, Wayne, for clearing this up. I find it unfortunate that other compeitiors decide that it is their place to trash talk me when I bring up a valid point. Due to events I've been to, I was under the impression that shops could only hold one event, as were they. Now that it is clear, I will inform every good show I hit that they can host more than one. Unfortunately, as you have seen above, certain competitiors feel the need to push down the little guy who is standing up for other people with realistic systems. YOU have to admit, wouldn't you like to see the best guy with 1 12" go home with a trophy from finals, and allow him the chance to do so, by being able to get the points. I know so many people willing to go all out in this sport, but many turn to other sanctions that are more "fair" to their respective class. Even the best dual 10" system has zero chance at finals. Points wise and SPL wise. I just was hoping to get things in a more fair fashion for all. Maybe next year, that will happen. It just does seem unfair to allow shops to have so many points valid events. I'm lucky if I can travel to one event per weekend. I think that you should at least have a one show per month rule, at least on points. That might level the playing field.
OH, TALONTSI, the message above proves to things. First, you never read my whole message, and probably hit reply on the first thing you disagreed with. Second, it also proves you to be very inconsiderate of other people who have things on their mind. As far as I am concerned, competitiors like that don't belong in DbDrag. I had a question for Wayne, not for you. Read the WHOLE message next time, then you might understand what was being said. My lips are now done on this subject.
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2 10's dont win events? Wait till finals buddy! Here in my town we got 2 10's doing a 154. You need to stop complaining and work on your car! Oh and BTW we also have at least 7 other cars with one or two woofers hitting above a 150. I've got 2 12's and a little amp. I get spanked every show. Its my fault for not wasting money on a competition car. Hell they can have their big numbers, but you and me are the true street competitiors who dont have the HUGE amounts of cash to spend on our cars. So stop complaining. if you're getting beat now, then you'll never even make it to finals. Its all for fun, so try to have some fun.
Oh and BTW, talon and I drive hundreds of miles each week to hit shows outside of our town. Its fun going to other shows even if you get beat. Try to think fun.
The top points earners have the top systems...and fat wallets
1-2 woofers. That class is a joke! That will be THE most interestng class this year at finals. It will be posting some INSANE scores!! 2 10's doing a 160 or 2 12's doing a 160, I would not be surprised at all!
I dont think thats really "Amtuer" There needs to be a watt limit on the AMA class and then another class for people with more power. Oh I guess you cant do that cuz a Crossfire 1000D puts out 250 watts So disregard that.
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WAYNE- Just a favor to ask. Could you close this thread. I think we all have said what needed to be said. My apologies for causing any fuss. That wasn't my intention. I was mistaken in what I was informed about. I will keep that in mind from now on. I have nothing against DbDrag, and it is wonderful. My apologies on this topic. Thanks.
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ok granted that the woofer class aren't perfectly right now but think about last year a guy with a bunch of high current amps can enter a class like 0-300 like the curciut city shows last year and spank a guy with a one amp and you still would complain at least the woofer class are closer at shows in my area then the power class plus it is easy on the judges to look at a car with 2 15's and say he is in the 1 to 2 class than look at his amps and hope they know what there 4ohm rating is to maybe put you in the right class i have a 4 woofer car doing 154 db and i havent spent that much money on my car less than $5000 for a car i hope can place in finals with some tweaking to get it in the high 150's it isnt a daily driver but i still can drive the car to any show within 6 hours
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