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G8 SPL
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I run street class 8 12" subs , If I rewire to 3.8Kw how much x-tra? Getting 147.1 of 2 Kw at moment want to get into 150's.Also how would I get more signel to drive a D2 and 3 kenwood ps500's as only got 500mili volt (0.5Volts)need atleast 1volt.

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According to math and an ideal situation you get 3 more DB's every time you doubly power. That is ideally. If you get a line driver that wil increase you DB's maybe more than adding power. I have seen a 2 DB gain just from adding more signal strength. If you just doubled your power you would be right around 150. If you double plus add a line driver you could easily be in the low 150's.

For line drivers I recommend RW Audio. They are relatively inexpensive for what you get. Mine tested at 11.25 volts without clipping. Not that you would ever need that much, but it is there. Check him out at www.rwaudio.com. Some other line drivers are the Phoenix Gold PLD1 and just about any piece that Audio Control makes.

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Deffinately AudioControl...
I added one of those... man, huge....

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Would I need 2 line drivers like one for d2 and one for kenwoods.Or should I just buy another 2kw digital amp as the 3 kenwood's will suck a bit on my power supply being non digital.If I use ken's for bass I have to get more amps to run treble mid which is all they do now.

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Don't mix amps!!! Use only one model!!!

How much can you gain depends also on power suply and on speakers if they reach limit.

Peter


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(10 X log 3800) - (10 X log 2000) = difference in dB. ...2.7875 dB
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quote:
Originally posted by Q:
(10 X log 3800) - (10 X log 2000) = difference in dB. ...2.7875 dB

But we all know how "on paper" works at times. but on paper you should get almost a 3 db increase.

I know last year when I roughly increased me my power the same percent you did I went up over 3db. Also on the same note a system that I had seen this year that doubled power didnt go out 3db went up but not nearly 3db..

Then another actually dropped power to a more efficent amp and spl went up due to car able to handle the amp and power it better.

So all will depend on the system as a whole.

Last think about line drivers...and also yours may vary. I know that last year when I had one I gained absolutly nothing from useing it to not using it. And after a certain point I lost in SPL...

Good luck!!!. Let us know how it turns out.

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Change of plan I'm going to use 2 dhc 200's as I think the current draw of cap's and batt's will be less,giving a higher voltage

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Just a up-date I have bought another dhc 200 and a phd 1 line driver from e-bay ,even with shipping to UK still loads cheaper than over here will be SPL testing soon should do 150 with ease thanks for help/advise

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just a quick note.

If you have a subwoofer that lets say has a max excursion of 3" Peak-to-Peak.

if with 1000wRMS it reached 2" Peak-to-Peak, with 2000wRMS will it reach 4" Peak-to-Peak??? doubt it, maybe 2.5" P2P.

So the +3db rule with double power sometime doesn't work. Maybe your'll get a little less then 3dbs, maybe 2dbs.

but you can never have too much power.

jaggy

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In our tests, 1.4X original movement/throw = 3dB gain, 2X = 6 dB.

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quote:
Originally posted by G8 SPL:
I run street class 8 12" subs


Sorry, just curious... what do you mean "street class"?

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Q
what kinda tests were these, i.e. how did u test??
results look bang on:-

A=2
20log A = 6dbs

A=1.4
20log A = 3dbs

A = Gain

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Hi Jaggy, we measured the cone movement (Polk dB12, 2.5cu', ported@ 24hz, 30hz test fq, firing rearward in rear of hatchback) at 130dB, at 133dB, and at 136dB using laser reflection (epoxied a mirror to the cone center, and used a geometric formula to analyze the width of the line generated, with a small parallax error correction figured in) and noticed it proved our theory that one cone moving X distance should approximately equal two cones moving 1/2X, and that 2^/2X = 1.4X. ('edited', oops, it's been two years, and I forgot it was in the 130s, NOT the 140s)

power level was x, 2.1x, and 4.3x, respectively.

All measured X was well within 60% of Xmax.

The results were within ~.1dB, so we decided that was close enough to derive a conclusion as to the accuracy of the theory, you math head you.


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In response to the street class 5-8 I drive my van every day,no extensive body work mod's and do not work for a ice shop and in no way sponserd,Origanally done a few installs for mates etc and got a bit carried away with what I could do..........as a fair few others have

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cool...sounds like a sweet experiment

jaggy

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