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dBSteve
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it states at rule 3-8a that in the street division its not allowed. With it not being mentioned in the Street Max division, I would assume its legal.

There it is ( thanks johnny ) rule 4-4. cut throughs allowed in Street Max

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quote:
Originally posted by Wayne Harris:
OEM references to Extreme interiors are irrelevant.

The trailing edge of your dash defines the edge of your dash. From that point back, your vehicle must pass the 30 inch rod test.

I'll try to get Celise to do some more drawings.

Ok well then if you build your dash 16" deep and completely flat from A-pillar to A-pillar you could make your dash 1/4" thick then correct?

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quote:
Originally posted by 170typhoon:
quote:
Originally posted by Wayne Harris:
OEM references to Extreme interiors are irrelevant.

The trailing edge of your dash defines the edge of your dash. From that point back, your vehicle must pass the 30 inch rod test.

I'll try to get Celise to do some more drawings.

Ok well then if you build your dash 16" deep and completely flat from A-pillar to A-pillar you could make your dash 1/4" thick then correct?
yes, but it has to be solid. I would say if it flexs, that its no good.

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i am not sure, the rules for street max do not really concern me, but what about floor cutting?....i dint see anything about it...allowed/not allowed?

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quote:
Originally posted by killarbb:
i am not sure, the rules for street max do not really concern me, but what about floor cutting?....i dint see anything about it...allowed/not allowed?

not allowed

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About JL 13W7s, in another post I saw it brought up and I don't agree with the decision to disallow 13W7s in Street A.

The 13W7 is 107 square inches of cone verses 2 Kicker L7 10" which are about 130 square inches per pair,

OR

13W7 frame area of 14" = 154 square inches verses a single L7 12" (12.5"^2) = 156.25, or even two ROUND 10" at 108 cone/157 frame square inches, I see the 13W7 as a perfectly fair option verses of a pair of 10", and a single round 12" to actually be a handicap in the Street A class.

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so now i have to translate the whole thing into Canadian

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Okay, forgetting the idea of cone area, because who cares. L7's definately have an advantage. We all know this. other than that, there are so many variations in actual cone area, let alone volume, that it makes it retarded to even compare the differences between drivers.

The simple fact is, the 13W7 is advertised just as that, a 13" woofer. Last I checked, 13" was bigger than 12". In fact, JL literature claims something to the effect of "having more displacement than a 15" woofer".

JL makes a 12W7 and a 10W7, both perfect candidates for Street A. 13W7's belong in Street B.

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quote:
Originally posted by Q:
About JL 13W7s, in another post I saw it brought up and I don't agree with the decision to disallow 13W7s in Street A.

The 13W7 is 107 square inches of cone verses 2 Kicker L7 10" which are about 130 square inches per pair,

OR

13W7 frame area of 14" = 154 square inches verses a single L7 12" (12.5"^2) = 156.25, or even two ROUND 10" at 108 cone/157 frame square inches, I see the 13W7 as a perfectly fair option verses of a pair of 10", and a single round 12" to actually be a handicap in the Street A class.

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Originally posted by A-Rok:

The simple fact is, the 13W7 is advertised just as that, a 13" woofer. Last I checked, 13" was bigger than 12". In fact, JL literature claims something to the effect of "having more displacement than a 15" woofer".

JL makes a 12W7 and a 10W7, both perfect candidates for Street A. 13W7's belong in Street B.

Can't get any clearer then that. [Wink] [Cool]

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what about like the focal 11"

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quote:
Originally posted by Tinted:
so now i have to translate the whole thing into Canadian

just add an eh at the end of every sentence..

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quote:
Originally posted by A-Rok:
Okay, forgetting the idea of cone area, because who cares. L7's definately have an advantage. We all know this. other than that, there are so many variations in actual cone area, let alone volume, that it makes it retarded to even compare the differences between drivers.

The simple fact is, the 13W7 is advertised just as that, a 13" woofer. Last I checked, 13" was bigger than 12". In fact, JL literature claims something to the effect of "having more displacement than a 15" woofer".

JL makes a 12W7 and a 10W7, both perfect candidates for Street A. 13W7's belong in Street B.

In answer to your question "...Who cares", I imagine JL Audio and those who would have one 13W7 and might wish to compete in DB Drag.
I would expect that to be obvious, and as far as displacement, that isn't all that important in well-tuned ported enclosures, plus there are several pairs of 10" which have as much displacement as a single 13W7.
..and No, I do not plan to use one, - not thinking of me, rather the fairness of the class to as large a percentage of equipment owners and competitors as possible, rather than having an attitude of, "Who cares?".
[Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by jarfunkz:
what about like the focal 11"

I would consider that ok for any 12inch class but too big for any 10inch class. [Confused] I dunno. [Cool]

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So if Zapco decided to make a sub that was 15" in diameter and call it a 12" sub then it should be allowed in street-a because it is marketed as a 12"? Doesn't make too much sense to me...it should be based on cone area.

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quote:
Originally posted by Chris B:
quote:
Originally posted by Tinted:
so now i have to translate the whole thing into Canadian

just add an eh at the end of every sentence..
and thats aboot it....time to build...so excited aboot these rules [Big Grin]

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