quote:Originally posted by ea1: Wayne, this isn't about the street amp situation, but a different change I saw in the latest draft.
I noticed the side to side area limit of 4 foot was dropped to 2 foot. I think that is WAY too small. I thought the 4 foot was a little large, as my car with the console but no roof buiddowns is a little over 3, but I was rather glad to see the rule, even thought it would me a rebuild for me. But at 2 sq foot, it is truly meaningless, because ANY car from box to windshield is going to be 36 inches or greater. That means the opening from side to side would only need to be 8 inches wide
I say leave it at 4 foot, or, if others think it would cause undo rebuilds for them, 3.5 foot. I mean even at the ABSOLUTE least it should be 3 foot. I think my car should be illegal as it is based on this new regulation, but with 2 foot I could actually use roof builddowns to make the area approximately 50% smaller. I think that would be the exact picture of compartmentalizing the cabin.
Sorry my post is so wordy, but basically it needs to be 4 sq feet, or MAYBE 3.5 (both bigger than my car) or at the VERY LEAST 3 foot. The 2 foot rule is just ASKING for serious compartmentalizing of the cablin.
I have mentioned using the microphone jig to stand upright between the console and the roof. this would be 13". You could simply check the area while jigging the mic. Simple, easy and quick.
The only problem with this, is that some cars aren't that tall from dash to roof. My car for example. The roof is not built down below the top of the door jamb, and the console isn't up on the windshield, but the distance is still only right at 12 inches. A sq foot measurement is the best way. If you keep a tape measure with you, any car that seems close or is protested, you could measure real quick. I am confident in our certified judges ability to do some simple math.
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I think the rules should stay the same. Like said before power isn't everything. 2500+ from a modded D2 or viper2500 compared to a 4kw on one battery isn't all the difference. The 4kw does have the edge, but I don't want to have to buy another D2 to compete with it, I'd rather hit the garage and work on the install.
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quote:Originally posted by cavRF: i really do not agree with this whole amp thing why not keep what isn't broken i mean ya the 4kw was made for this but i mean like me that doesn't have alot of money but i do have everything that i need to be competitive. but now i have to fine the money to go find another bd. so now the rules are only alowing the people that have the money that can buy two amps
AHHH.......the typical "Street" install........no, they (dbDra) are more concerned about the people that already compete, and that have already bought the amps. Not the newbies, the future of dBdrag
idbl i pretty much agree with everything youve said in this thread.
im a HS student and i can barely afford to put gas in my car after getting a 2000 watt amp and whatever pair of subs i end up getting. its not a world finals system by any means but just because other people have two subs and a somewhat equal single amp it makes me think i have somewhat of a chance to do ok even if its just in my state or local area. now if people are gonna be able to put a 2000+ watt amp on each sub it makes me not even want to bother competing cuz i cant afford to add more stuff and the guy with twice as much power as me probably has a 99% chance of beating me. im sure there are alot of people in the same place as me. just think of how many street competitors there are that dont get a chance to let everyone see their view because they dont visit message boards or dont have internet or whatever.
i think it would be better to keep it as it is but have a better system of policing the amps used. everyone knows a 4kw is two 9.0's even if it is in one chassis so just use common sense in banning amps like this instead of blindly following rules and allowing amps puposely made to circumvent the rules. this is one of those things where you cant make rules in black and white because it requires good judgement in deciding what is and isnt one amp.
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quote:it makes me not even want to bother competing cuz i cant afford to add more stuff and the guy with twice as much power as me probably has a 99% chance of beating me.
Mini-Street might be a good choice for you.
And this is why I'd like to see a State Finals for those with only 2 non-bridged channels, another stepping stone on the way to the world finals in a season or two.
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I saw that the Team Sound Decision CRX was mentioned earlier in this thread. This car was very impressive; they took 2nd place in Street 3-4. They lost by a few tenths to another CRX. The difference being that the other CRX was powered by the 4KWs.
I did not witness it, but it was rumored that Team Sound Decision hooked their setup up to the 4KWs and absolutely smashed the winning CRX's score. Does anyone remember what Sound Decision hit when using the 4KWs?
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ahhh i new i forgot something. i think the problem with mini street is that it doesnt seem to be serious enough. maybe could use the new street rules that are being considered now then take the basic principles of last years street and add those to mini street but change it a little. have classes by cone area then for each cone area class have maximum amp msrp or regulate amp power by the size of the fuse at the battery then keep the same restrictions on enclosures and electrical upgrades. it still wouldnt have to be mandatory but i think there would be enough demand for many more shows to host it.
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1 Normal 2 Channel amp(ex: Zapco 9.0, Kicker KX800.2)
Street B:
4 Strappable Monoblocks
2 Internally bridged
1 4-channel(ex: Zapco 4kw, US 6000X)
I think it needs to come down to, this amp is not allowed in this class, and this one is. There needs to be a set list, and if manufacturers try to circumvent the rules, then it needs to be taken care of. Thanks for reading.
This is the most fair as far as looking at brands and output. Since I dont sell Zapco, anyone I get going to compete nationally will be at a disadvantage because I cant set him/her up with a 4KW.
If a 4KW is left in Street A, then 4 BD1500s are the equivalent in price and output.
That is my retailer's point of view.
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quote: QuadCam: it was rumored that Team Sound Decision hooked their setup up to the 4KWs and absolutely smashed the winning CRX's score. Does anyone remember what Sound Decision hit when using the 4KWs?
quote: PHILESTER: ...with 2 4kw's after finals we did a 160.8-161.1...
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quote:Originally posted by Q: Mini-Street might be a good choice for you.
mini street is useless...no points accrual, no set rules even...
The only thing its good for IMO is a non-competitor just wanting to see how their setup can do.
Thats the whole point. 2/3rds of my competitors are Mini Street. They dont' care about national competition. Retailers can set up their own classes based upon equipment they sell. Mini Street guys just want to compete to see what they hit and beat their buddy. dB Drag is there for those that want to take it to a national level.
I have one retailer that says that dB Drag does nothing for him, yet he's having 1 show a month. What he does feel helps him is the mini street division. The 30 national level street competitors don't put money into the retailers pocket. Thats less than 1 per state. Mini Street competitors are the ones that upgrade between each show.
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Why not for instances like the 4KW for Street A only allow one of the outputs to be used, and for Street B both of the outputs be used (but only that 1 amp) that way people could still use the 4kw, and it would make it a little more fair?
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I believe that draft seven will work well as long as mini-street is made available at all shows. There is nothing that can push someone away from the sport like having them go head to head with someone who is a national competitor, and they get completely out classed. Even an average national competitor could easily beat some local kid who has no idea what he is getting into. Having mini-street at shows is like grooming the future of the sport and industry.
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quote:Originally posted by Bass Hertz2X: With the new rules out does that mean a S1-2 competitor can use 2 4KWs in street A?
No, that would be 8 output channels.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bobby Riley: [QB][QUOTE]Originally posted by BMFONYXProbe: [qb]I have read everyone else's posts and considered them. This is what I think.
quote:Originally posted by lauf: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bobby Riley: [QB][QUOTE]Originally posted by BMFONYXProbe: [qb]I have read everyone else's posts and considered them. This is what I think.
1 Normal 2 Channel amp(ex: Zapco 9.0, Kicker KX800.2)
Street B:
4 Strappable Monoblocks
2 Internally bridged
1 4-channel(ex: Zapco 4kw, US 6000X)
I like this one!
As fair as it can get
Maybe one thing to think about, is say the amps have to have a single power supply if there in one case
Well under those rules 2 Concept 2400s would own street A...they are strapable monoblocks........all and all draft #7 is about as good as the amp thing is going to get.....
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i dont know if this can get any farther. maybe we should keep this version BUT the idea of max of 2 bridgeble mono blocks or one non bridgible amp sounds GOOD!! OR limiting to 2 channels.
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I may have already said it but I still think it should be:
Street A: 2 bridgable channels Street B: 4 bridgable channels
Street A is the starting class (not counting mini which) so it should be for small setups.
I know some people already have 4kw who want to compete in street A but if they can afford that then surely than can afford another sub or 2?
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Also just to be finicky - section 6.7 refers to the classes as street 1-2 and 3-4 still.
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just 1 comment ,if you can use 4 amps in s3-4 how are we able to feed them,if theire is still a max of 2 batteries alowed,this could cause amps to go in protection
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