quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: so basically now in street 1-2 you can use say 2 internally bridged monoblocks (example I could use 2 Earthquake D2's?)
And I can run two MOJO's?? I don't think I like this rule Wayne, this is REALLY going to cause problems, trust me, from a street competitor last season, this is going to cause MAJOR problems........besides, like what was said before, a LOT of people or going to be dropping out of street class this year. I for one won't be able to afford another amp to compete. What "street" set up would run that much to 2 12's or one 15?
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it doesn't mean you have to buy another mojo today. The season is fairly long.
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it doesn't mean you have to buy another mojo today. The season is fairly long.
Your right, but that isn't going to happen anyway, not with a baby on the way.
Ya know, I used to like dBdrag, but all of these changes latley, it's bull, why must Wayne make this more difficult that it needs to be? Remember the old saying "if it's not broke, don't fix it" what was wrong with the rules that were in place? if you want to remove the move up rule, go right ahead, whatever, but you are COMPLETLY changing all the rules in street, WTF?
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This is insane....this is 200% worse than keeping the rule as it was in '02...D3s in 1-2, 4 D3s in 3-4......well this will sucsesfully get rid of more of the newbies since now a single 1000wt amp has not a snowballs chance in hell....you may go through a batt every run but even for just one 3s burp you will have superstreet power in street class it would be 100% better to make an amp list....that is the only think that would improve opon the old rules for street amps.....this rule will drive many out of DB Drag and to that new orginization....they have solved this amp problem......
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quote:Originally posted by alrile: I read the definitions, and is this correct? I can run 4 bd1500's in street A and 8 in Street B, since they are mono amps? Just curious.
that is what I was asking about a rules clarification on. I think the wording needs to be redone. I think wayne wants to level the playing field currently occupied by the "monster" amps, not overtake it by allowing 16000 watts of db1500 in Street B!
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This is freakin Ridiculous! We might as well call street A, superstreet A, and street B, superstreet B now. 4 mono amps in 1-2 and 8 mono amps in 3-4? When we said we wanted mono amps allowed we meant 2 in 1-2 and 4 in 3-4. This really doesn't solve the problem. While mono-block amps are relatively cheap($200-$250), if you have to buy 8 of them you are still looking at $1600-$2000 worth of amps to compete in a beginner class, and that is just for 1000D's. If you start talking about bd1500's, that's more like $350 each, and that is $2800!!!! This is utterly ridiculous! If the rules stay that way, bye-bye dB Drag.
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This would help clear up an issue I see arriving later in the year when some kid gets upset because his MONO D2 is actually a 2 channel amp that is internally bridged. 1 channel amps can be bridged together into 1 load. Internally bridged 2 channel amps cannot, even if they are "mono" in their output.
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I would rather my 4KW be banned from competition all together than this. I guess I better call Alan and Bobby and order my 4 bd 1500s for STREET CLASS this year . What would keep Zapco or other companies from making an 8 KW with two amps that are each as power ful as a 4KW but only one circuit board and 4 stereo channels because don't think they won't? What about 2 JBL Crowns? I agree that this will be worse than the old rules. I was kind of hoping that I could just use my 4KW in street 3-4 if the rules were changed which was fine by me, I never really agreed with it anyway(gotta do what you gotta do to be competitive) but this is crazy. Lets call the new classes NW A and NW B.
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This ends up to be just like the power cap.......you need us to let you know what amps are internaly bridged...just like we could let you know what amps produce more than 3000wts rms........and the bd1500 needs to be modded to slave a pair...i know they do not come that way.....
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originally posted by Shockingcanada: I must say I think that the rule should be that in street A you can use a maximum of one bridged output (so like a single two channel amp or a single internally bridged monoblock or two externally bridged monoblocks) and in street 3-4 it should be that you can use a max of 2 bridged output channels (so a single 4 channel, 2 2channels, 2 int bridged monoblocks or 4 ext bridged monoblocks)
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yeah so can we use 2 d2`s or 2 d3`s in street 1-2 a...
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I however do agree that this may be getting a little out of hand.. I mean.. maybe the street class should be renamed as its becoming less and less of street than it already was..
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quote:Originally posted by Chris B: Ok.. what does everyone expect to get out of this?
I think Wayne is doing a great job addressing what most people are asking for.
Most people wanted to scrap the move-up rule.. so its now gone..
Most people wanted something done so the 4Kw no longer dominates the street classes.. so now the playing field is being leveled.
And now people are complaining more after getting what they've asked for!?
becuse this will drive many out of DB Drag because street class is going to become almost as expencive a SS NW...2 15s and 8 amps...does that sound like NW to you.....yes.....but now with two batts and a stock alt it is in Street class.....
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quote:Originally posted by Chris B: Ok.. what does everyone expect to get out of this?
I think Wayne is doing a great job addressing what most people are asking for.
Most people wanted to scrap the move-up rule.. so its now gone..
Most people wanted something done so the 4Kw no longer dominates the street classes.. so now the playing field is being leveled.
And now people are complaining more after getting what they've asked for!?
That's the thing, we didn't get what we were asking for. We wanted the playing field to be leveled and keep the cost down, not make it more to be competitive.
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quote:Originally posted by Chris B: Ok.. what does everyone expect to get out of this?
I think Wayne is doing a great job addressing what most people are asking for.
Most people wanted to scrap the move-up rule.. so its now gone..
Most people wanted something done so the 4Kw no longer dominates the street classes.. so now the playing field is being leveled.
And now people are complaining more after getting what they've asked for!?
becuse this will drive many out of DB Drag because street class is going to become almost as expencive a SS NW...2 15s and 8 amps...does that sound like NW to you.....yes.....but now with two batts and a stock alt it is in Street class.....
I agree.. however people were complaining about it.. so something was done about it.. I do agree tho it's a little much..
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Isn't the MOJO a True Mono?? it is internally bridged (one Channel)
A true mono amp is strappable...
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quote:Originally posted by Chris B: Ok.. what does everyone expect to get out of this?
I think Wayne is doing a great job addressing what most people are asking for.
Most people wanted to scrap the move-up rule.. so its now gone..
Most people wanted something done so the 4Kw no longer dominates the street classes.. so now the playing field is being leveled.
And now people are complaining more after getting what they've asked for!?
That's the thing, we didn't get what we were asking for. We wanted the playing field to be leveled and keep the cost down, not make it more to be competitive.
It will be all of a few hundred less expencive than SS NW to be competitive now......
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quote:Originally posted by Chris B: Ok.. what does everyone expect to get out of this?
I think Wayne is doing a great job addressing what most people are asking for.
Most people wanted to scrap the move-up rule.. so its now gone..
Most people wanted something done so the 4Kw no longer dominates the street classes.. so now the playing field is being leveled.
And now people are complaining more after getting what they've asked for!?
That's the thing, we didn't get what we were asking for. We wanted the playing field to be leveled and keep the cost down, not make it more to be competitive.
The playing field was leveled.. but it was raised as well.. but as I have said a few times it is a little much.. and this class isnt even "street" anymore.. I think it needs a new name.
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This is what I originally proposed in the amplifier topic. I am copying it to here as it is relevant. This is what I thought was the best option.
Propsal 1 - Street Class Amplifier Classification System
The number of subwoofer amplifier limit is removed from the street class.
Channel restrictions:
Street A (formerly 1-2) is limited to 2 channels of amplification only. This constitues one stereo amp, internally bridged monoblock amp, or 1 or 2 true monoblock amplifiers. Street B (formerly 3-4) is limited to 4 channels of amplification only. This constitues one 4 channel amp, 2 stereo amps, 2 internally bridged monoblock amps, or 1-4 true monoblock amplifiers.
Clarifications:
Users may use a 4 channel amp in Street A, provided that only 2 non-bridged channels are used for subwoofer amplification. The competitor may be required to demonstrate that only 2 channels are being used, this could be accomplished by removing the speaker wires from the other pair of channels if necessary. A stereo amplifier is defined as having 2 non-bridged channels of amplification, which may be bridged together to power one load internally. True monoblock amplifiers are defined as those consisting of only one channel of amplification and that are able to be bridged together (externally) with another identical amplifier to power one load. (examples: 1000d, 1100d bd1500, vx900d, DD9501, etc.) Internally bridged monoblock amplifiers are defined as those consisting of 2 channels of amplification summed mono internally and providing a dynmaic output at both the + and - speaker terminal. (examples: D2, D3, JBL/Crown, Mojo, VR2000d, DEI 2400, Viper 2500, 2000X, 4000X)
What this allows and disallows:
No 4 channel amps or internally bridged 2 channels (4KW, D4, 6000x, etc.) Allows all conventional mono amplifiers to remain. Allows competitors to use 2 bridgeable monoblocks to compete with other high power amplifiers. Does not limit high power single channel or stereo amplifiers.
How it relates to the competitor, retailer, and manufacturer:
Competitor - lower cost, able to have more options to create high power. Retailers - many more retailers available to supply competitors with equipment. At finals most people were using Zapco, Earthquake, Mmats, etc. that are not available at most retailers. The ability to use 2 true monoblocks adds many manufacturers like Kicker, Rockford, and others that have powerful true mono amplifiers. Manufacturers - no need to develop new extremely high power amplifiers consisting of multiple amps in one chassis. More manufacturers able to be competitive in the street classes as a wider range of amplifiers can be used.
quote:Originally posted by chemid51: well, you cant say the field isnt even now. my 4- mmats d300's can now take on 2-4kw's. it is a level field now, its just a higher level.
Superstreet with an electrical cap......
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