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Ok, I understand what you are saying. But let's say a manufacturer has a problem with the organization, not the competitor but the manufacturer. Should this type of thing limit the competitor just cause the manufacturer and organization might not see eye to eye? Telling a competitor what brand he can and can not run seems like ruining his rights. I mean we all have the freedom of choice, but now it would be like saying "run this or don't compete". Even if a company produces 100 units of amps or subs, it doesn't mean it has an extra $1000 to blow on joining an assosciation. Also, if you have that spare $1000 to blow, here is my address......hehe.
Everything we do is based on freedom of choice. If we tell people they do not have that freedom anymore, where will it end?
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quote:Originally posted by ea1: I was thinking about something. NASCAR works because the sponsors have a monopoly on the competition. You dont see Hondas or Volvos running at Daytona, thats because there are restrictions on what can be used in the competition. I would suggest that for any Subwoofers or amplifiers from a company to be used at certified (3x and finals) events, they MUST become a manufacturer member of the DBDRA. Local shows let anybody run anything, but equip at certified shows must be manufacturer member equip (subs and amps only)
What do you all think?
This would definately generate some $$ for the DBDRA and would make larger prizes for finals much more realistic.
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I absolutely agree!!!! You beat me to it. I had this thought when we were argueing about what manufacturers could or could not be at finals to help.
Thumbs Up Nate!!!!
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Well as far as your topic is concerned I would suggest that prize money be eliminated fron Street class since the guys that are supposed to be competing in them are doing so for bragging rights (at the local level anyway). I believe that classes should remain the same. As for everyone elses comments: Anyone who knows Spl knows that the more drivers that you cram into a vehicle the more sacrifices you will have to make (Air, Batt, Power, basically space)that is why the 13+#'s were so low. And for those of you who read As&s look at this http://www.termpro.com/asp/eventresults3.asp and most of those 170+s will disappear. oh by the way with one exception almost all the top 5 SS5-8 guys were running 5. so not to comprimise space.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: The 3 issues I would like to discuss are...
1. Should the prize money for winners in each division of competition (Street, SS, and Extreme) be the same?
2. Should prize money be awarded to 1st-3rd place winners or just 1st place winners?
3. Should we combine some classes. This would result in more prize money being awarded for each of the remaining classes?
What are your thoughts on this? Please ensure that your STATS button (and link) is included in your response.
1. NO, The prize money should be increased from street, to super street, and then to extreme classes. Each sub-catagory of each class should be equal, but the jump between classes should be rewarded a higher reward. This would give competitors to step up to the next class, if they want more reward for their efforts. If the rewards is equal for all classes, what is the incentive to move up in classification (rhetorical)? As an example: street 1st place = $200 street 2nd place = $100 street 3rd place = $50 (note: rewards should be equal for all street sub catigories)
super street 1st place = $400 super street 2nd place = $200 super street 3rd place = $100 (note: rewards should be equal for all super street sub catigories)
extreme 1st place = $800 extreme 2nd place = $400 extreme 3rd place = $200 (note: rewards should be equal for all extreme sub catigories)
2. Rewards should be for 1st - 3rd place finshers. By only rewarding the 1st place finishers, you would invite more controversy than is already plaquing the dBDRA. Simply put, a .1 db difference resulting in "payout" and "no payout", will incite more complaints stemmed from the insinuation of unequal measuring equipment.
3. No comment
quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: Last season, there were a TREMENDOUS number of events that only had 1 or 2 competitors in each class. This isn't right.
What are your thoughts on that?
If a class has less than 8 competitors registered by the "cutt off" time, then the competitors that ARE registered will be advanced to the next higher class. Example: super street 1-2 has 3 registered competitors (by registration cut-off time). There are 5 registered competitors in super street 3-4. When the show promoter evaluates the situation, the super street 1-2 competitors should be grouped in with the super street 3-4 competitors, resulting in 8 competitors in the superstreet 1-4 class.
If the combining of two classes still does not total eight (or more) competitor, then the competitors would be combined with the next highest class until eight (or more)competitors is gained. This will cause some headaches for promoters/host that pre-design rewards (trophies/plaques), but will allow each class that is ran during the event to be a "full class" and help eliminate the "easy win".
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1. Should the prize money for winners in each division of competition (Street, SS, and Extreme) be the same?
No I think the bigger bucks should go to the bigger guys because think about it a street car has about $15k in the system, Super Street has about $30k in the system and the Extreme guys have who knows how much $100k++ in the systems. Pluss the Extreme guys have to haul their cars to shows so that is a lot bigger expence to buy and maintain a truck and trailer. I think that the Extreme guys should get most of the money and the Super Street guys get a little bit of money and the Street guys sould get very little.
2. Should prize money be awarded to 1st-3rd place winners or just 1st place winners?
Yes Give the prize money to the top three people in each class (they deserve it)
3. Should we combine some classes. This would result in more prize money being awarded for each of the remaining classes?
no don't combine any classes because that would be less people that get money for doing all this hard work of running a SPL car.
quote:Originally posted by scoupen: won't work. then you will be blowing up amps because they don't get enough juice....where's the cost saving in that?
I would think designing a system that works within a 5 battery limit would keep you from blowing up any amps. Less amplifiers equals less money.
Since we can't limit systems on money or watts rating, it seems source power is all that's left. It's used in street class to keep their systems down in price and wattage, why not use it it Super Street?
Moving up to Super Street isn't too big of a deal as dBDrag still gets your $30 no matter which class you're in. So, you are right, there is no need to make Super Street more attainable to Street competitors.
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HELLO THER I THINK BIGER THE CLAS; BIGER PRIZE biger sistems all ways lock beter at the shows. And I think 1st 2nd and 3rd shoul get prize like the way is been done. Not all ways first place deserve the first place but................................................................................................................................................................................. .................................................................................................................................................................................... .................................................................................................................................................................................... .....................................................................IT HAPEN
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I think combining classes could be a good idea like Extreme 9-12 and 13+ but other than that i dont see any classes that should be combined. The only reason I say these two could be combined is because there were only 7 people in 13+ anyway. So basically if your in 13+ you could do a mighty 135 and place at finals. I think the payout for 1-3 should decrease from 1st to 3rd but not by much since EVERYONE works very hard to place that high. Just my .02!
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From what I can see, and in my opinion, combining EX 9-12 and EX 13+ removes 1 EX class and evens out the number of competitors across extreme division (see data below). This brings you to 4 EX and 4 SS, and 1 NW class. If you do a pro street that is 10 classes at Finals. Changing the classification of all the extreme classes affects all extreme competitors (thus major rebuilds and major costs). The focus is on classes that had problems - FACT: EX 9-12 and 13+ had fewer competitors than other clases invited to Finals and throughout the season. FACT: there were issues in street at Finals and throughout the season. SS and EX otherwise ran relatively smooth with minimal problems both at finals and throughout the season. Just my observation...
Finals Invitees... street 1-2 16 street 3-4 14 30
ss 1-2 NW 18
ss 1-2 19 ss 3-4 17 ss 5-8 16 ss 9+ 16 86
ex 1-2 16 ex 3-4 13 ex 5-8 14 ex 9-12 9 ex 13+ 8 60
176 invited ex = 34% of invited ss = 49% of invited s = 17% of invited
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Here is an idea. Combine EX 9-12 and 13+ Leave everything else in SS and EX alone. Combine the rules of Street and SSnw. By this I mean, SSnw 1-2 and SSnw 3-4 with amp and batt. restrictions. Like, SSnw 1-2 with 4 amps and batteries with all other rules from this year in SSnw staying the same, and 8 in SSnw 3-4. Ten classes at Finals. Let the local shows do whatever fits for them in NON-POINT classes for their customers.
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Here is an idea......leave the classes the way THEY ARE.
Every year it seems like everyone needs or wants to change the classes for some reason. I really dont think it would be far for people to have to rebuild there car every year or every other year just because the rules keep changing. That can get pretty damn expensive in an extreme car.
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Just a question, at a smaller event, what keeps say a street competitor from removing his headliner, or door panel, or glovebox, or some other mod like that to move up to an unpopulated extreme class to get $$?
I think if you have higher $$ in higher classes, then I'm sure that some people will find a way to get into the higher classes, especially since there are usually very few extreme cars at a local event. There are usually only 1-2 extreme cars at a local show, or usually less, and if you payout the top 3, then someone could easily move into there and do a 125 and get their money.
Just stating ideas. Not that I would ever do that, but it does bring up and interesting point if you don't split the $$ evenly.
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quote:Originally posted by <spltruck>: Here is an idea......leave the classes the way THEY ARE.
Every year it seems like everyone needs or wants to change the classes for some reason. I really dont think it would be far for people to have to rebuild there car every year or every other year just because the rules keep changing. That can get pretty damn expensive in an extreme car.
just my thought
-------------------- Kyle W. 2000,2005,2006 Db Drag World Champion Posts: 339 | From: phoenix | Registered: Jun 2000
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quote:Originally posted by <spltruck>: Here is an idea......leave the classes the way THEY ARE.
Every year it seems like everyone needs or wants to change the classes for some reason. I really dont think it would be far for people to have to rebuild there car every year or every other year just because the rules keep changing. That can get pretty damn expensive in an extreme car.
just my thought
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I think same. But i believe the rules change will be progresive for make beter the new season. And the big prize in money for the big division is necesary for increase the quantity of competitors in this divisions. I want say, for the street divisions the same prize in money that the last year, and more for the EX division.
Guillermo Blanco head judge DbDrag Argentina and Chile
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