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The Street Division was originally created as an "entry level" division for competition. In other words, this division was created so that ANY competitor could participate in dB Drag Racing and get a "taste" of how fun dB Drag Racing can be.
Entry level competitors are vital to the success and longevity of dB Drag Racing. It is imperative that entry level competitors have an opportunity to compete in dB Drag Racing events without getting blown away.
The dBDRA is interested in hearing your suggestions with regards to the Street Division and the involvement of entry level competitors.
Here are some suggestions. Please note that these are only suggestions to consider and discuss.
No Street Division at the World Finals.
Points for Street Division competitors are recorded but they do not count towards participation at the Finals.
Geographic limitations on Street Division competitors at the event promoters discretion. For example, if you are a retailer hosting an event, you can limit participation in the Street Division to only those competitors who live in your city or the cities you specify.
No Pros in the Street Division.
No cargo vans in the Street Division.
If the vehicle has removable seats, then the enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the door jamb of the backmost door when competing in the Street Division.
Leave the Street Division alone.
These are just a few suggestions. Please feel free to contribute you own ideas. Please try to be clear and concise when presenting your suggestion.
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I feel that their should be no street division at World Finals. That, in my mind, would be the best solution. If a street competitor becomes serious, they should move upto Super-street and try to qualify for finals in a super street or extreme category. Street class is great for local competitions, it gets people involved. But why have an "entry level" class at world finals? Not needed.
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Please also include things to make it easyer for the rest of world to adhere to the "entry level competition" ethics.
Like this year, it was stated that the top 15 would have to move out of street? but how dose that help any other country, as any other country wont make it, but they will have good people at the top of the street class in their country, who otherwise "could" end up hogging the class, and winning year after year. This could damage dbdrag in our countries, but there is no mechanism to move them up automatically.
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If the vehicle has removable seats, then the enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the door jamb of the backmost door when competing in the Street Division.
This is the only change I would like to see made concerning the street class. Everything else is just fine, IMO. We need to keep the changes as minimal as possible.
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i feel that for db drag to progress and bring in new competitors it is imparitive that the street class be included in finals. after all, that is what got us hooked, the drive to get into finals, and now the experiance we have gained from competeing at a level that gave us the ability to afford to be competitive.
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If not for world finals then at least Country finals - the guys want to be known as the best in thier country, it encourages them to contiue competing.
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What about cut outs in the rear wall of a pickup...? (street div.)
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Street division should be excluded from the finals. No vans, pros, or walls in the street class. Plus, major body mods including cutting of structural or pannel metal should move the competitor to super street.
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I believe that it is best that the Street Division should not attend World Finals. We need to focus on the future of Db Drag Racing and keep new competitors coming. If not , we will keep scaring off new competitors. This would ruin any chances of this sport gaining any more publicity. We do want to get this sport to a higher level, we all been dreaming of. (right)?
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Street needs to be at finals. I am a shop manager with a mortgage and 4 kids , I can not afford a extreme car, nor do I want to destroy my 2000 Eclipse. I am sure there are plenty of other competitors in the same situation. The biggest problem seems to be abuse of the "newbie". He does not want to compete at my show because my car is 5 db louder. I understand completely. My suggestion is to only allow points accumulation at multi-point events for street classes. Make serious street competitors go into super street at single point events. This would keep the "newbie" from being destroyed at my shows, and give the people that can actually drive their cars safely a reason to travel to shows. The other rules about moving up after one year , etc are all fine. You can find an arguement about changing or deleting or adding any other rules, I doubt any serious street competitor would object to this rule. I have put better than 30,000 miles on my car in two competiton seasons, and the car sits from finals to spring break. I love to compete, I enjoy the drives, I want to continue, but I can not if street is not available. I also think you need to listen to the street competitors more than anyone else on these issues. They are the competitors who will be affected, listen to them and not everyone else.
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I like the suggestion of a local street class determined by retailers that they can control. This would allow local retailers to increase the number of competitors.
However, I would like to see a pro street class as well that is similar to street this year (for finals), with the previously mentioned adjustments, mainly eliminating commercial vehicles and to keep box behind back door jam (exception being third doors in extended cab trucks). This will allow competitors to try for finals even though they might not be able to afford the amps and batteries to compete in SS NW.
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Points for Street Division competitors are recorded but they do not count towards participation at the Finals.
Geographic limitations on Street Division competitors at the event promoters discretion. For example, if you are a retailer hosting an event, you can limit participation in the Street Division to only those competitors who live in your city or the cities you specify.
No Pros in the Street Division.
No cargo vans in the Street Division.
If the vehicle has removable seats, then the enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the door jamb of the backmost door when competing in the Street Division.
Leave the Street Division alone.
Cargo vans and behind the trailing edge of door jamb are good (basically you could include cargo vans as long as their box was behind the sliding door).
I also conceed that any division that is allowed to attend world finals will be exploited by "pros." We already decided to drop the pro/ama naming because it was irrelevant (pro building cars for ama).
Now let's consider one thing. If we separate the "street-beating" local kids from the "pros" (meaning serious competitor) in the street division, one will find that there are probably at least 50-60 competitors in the street division that are serious enough to drive a long distance to shows and would like to have an opportunity at finals. The question becomes, what happens to them? Move up to SSNW, gut out half of your vehicle and get tons of batteries and amps to be competitive? That's a big step.
Entry-level is taken care of, and advanced is taken care of, what about the rest?
I propose a Pro-Street class. Something along the lines of this years street class with fewer limitations that this year, but still a reasonable limit on equipment (ie limit number of amps, batteries, size of woofers, and modifications, etc.) This class would be held at finals, and would be the class between the entry level and SSNW. I can prepare a more detailed proposal if requested. Feel free to email me, mathman5@hotmail.com.
Matt Rennells Street 1-2 competitor, 2000-2001
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Points for Street Division competitors are recorded but they do not count towards participation at the Finals.
Geographic limitations on Street Division competitors at the event promoters discretion. For example, if you are a retailer hosting an event, you can limit participation in the Street Division to only those competitors who live in your city or the cities you specify.
No Pros in the Street Division.
No cargo vans in the Street Division.
If the vehicle has removable seats, then the enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the door jamb of the backmost door when competing in the Street Division.
I am going to agree with the above listings. Don't leave it alone because something needs to be done. I don't want to upset anyone in the street division. I feel this is the most competitive class and has the hardest working competitors. I do feel if we don't have an intro class that is not highly competitive we will lose the interest of many new competitors as we have over the years.
The reason I say that the street class should not be at finals is this will eliminate the interest of Pros. I watched competitors start in a bigger classes and do very well. Then find out at the end of the year they are competiting in the Street class.
Previously I mentions the possiblity of having a minor and major league. At local events this year I have found that Extreme cars and Super Street cars were being combined because of the lack of attendance at local events. This left the rest of the show to compete in the two street classes. I have tossed around that at local events they should expand the street classes. Offer more classes that include 15's 18's and even classes with more than 2 or 4 subs. These Street/Minor league classes should have a limit to number of amps or watts restriction, with the possibilities of walls with amp restrictions.
The Major League would consist of your Super Street and Extreme cars. You will find more participation of these classes at Certified events. Not to limit a promoter from offering both Minor and Major league classes at an event, but when it comes to finals. This should be a Major League event only. This will help the industry to grow and give very competitive competitors a reason to compete in the higher classes and not limit their capabilities to street divisions.
I have proposed this before and I feel this is a very good way to have the industry grow. Unfortunately over the past several years we have seen a drastic decrease in interest because this sport is very expensive. Obviously this can be tweeked but I feel this is good start.
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This is the only change I would like to see made concerning the street class. Everything else is just fine, IMO. We need to keep the changes as minimal as possible.
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Points for Street Division competitors are recorded but they do not count towards participation at the Finals.***
I disagree with the above, but everything that FIXXXER said I would have to agree with this one, and I think that there SHOULD be a street class at finals, just because it gives the person something to work twards.
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quote:This left the rest of the show to compete in the two street classes. I have tossed around that at local events they should expand the street classes. Offer more classes that include 15's 18's and even classes with more than 2 or 4 subs.
Sounds interesting.
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here is an interesting thing to add to the pot. I agree street shouldn't be at finals, but there could be a condition...
local retailers may have the street class at the shows, fine.. better for the local kids... but if there is to be points accrural, then let that go for US Champ. or posibly state champ. how's this ? then there could be 2 extra shows in the US. ( logistics would have to be worked out later) first multi point show would be for state championships. then later would be US championships. where each state champ would have the opportunity to have the chance to compete at finals. Now i know.. some will say not a good idea, but if you are serious about competing, this is something to consider !! ( this could be for each country as well !!!!) THEN.. have the say top 16 invited to finals. that way there is a true world finals. since we want more local participation . i think this could help. if the promoter wants, offer cerftificates instead of trophies to the "pro's" in street class.. that way the TRUE beginners, the ones we are trying to get into this sport, don't have their emotions crushed.
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The thing we have to remember, As much as I like street racing and as much as I know people who build fast cars.
Nascar is strictly for the pros.
Its not for everyone and you have to earn your entry not just show up with a couple thousand dollars and say "Hey I deserve to go to world finals"
All due respect for shop owners and street competitors that want to compete at finals in street classes. But crushing a 16 year olds heart at his first competition by the same people that he bought or had install his equipment is not away to grow this industry. Pros or experienced installers do not belong against new competitors.
People talk about DB Drag growing the size of Nascar or being televised. If this was the case I would predict that you will not see any street classes or any vehicle competiting under the value of $20,000+ in equipment. Just my thought.
Their is Little League World Series, Db Drag could to do the same.........
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Call me crazy, but when I first started competeing I got stomped a few times.. Did I go home and "cry" and quit competing after that?? NO, I went home and worked harder.
If a newbie goes to his first show and wins (because he is competing against a bunch of other complete newbies), whats going to drive him to keep competing? In his mind, he is already the loudest, why bother? Right?
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Where to begin, well lets start by saying if the rules that were instated for last year were merely enforced there would have been a lot less problems. But that being the past,lets look at the future if you take street class away from finals you also take away the amount of people going to finals and also competing to get to finals therefore your losing competitors not gaining them. Because no matter what anyone says you shouldn't have to have a MDF monster of a car to make it in dbdrag. Which by taking street away from finals you are basically giving people no option they will have to be in super street to make finals, which means more money that soem people may not have.
Not everyone has that kind of budget, and just because someone doesn't have that kind of budget doesnt make them any less dedicated to the sport.
I think if street class was expanded rather than becoming more limited it would benefit the sport more. I don't have an exact sollution for street but having merely two classes isnt enough.
Pro or Non-Pro? How in the world are you gonna know for everyone? I am willing to bet this will come back to haunt. Leave the current move up policy in effect, but that would also mean leaving street at finals...
Throw out the High-Output alternator rule, has anyone seen this "Realistically" checked? And I don't mean just using one DMM or a visual, because we all know you can get HO alts that look just like factory ones.
Overall I think street needs "tweaking" not more limitations or cutbacks. The class is well worth the effort considering the amount of people that fall into the class without even being a "diehard dbdragger", and to chop it up and toss it aside would IMO only hurt not help db drag grow.
Just my .02
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Street Class is very important to DB Drag. There is only two classes for that division but more than half of DB Drag members are in those classes.Vehicle restrictions and application I feel was the real abuse this year.Expanding the street class might just increase members. Here's my ideas
1 - Eliminate Cargo Vans and Commercial Vehicles. This elimimates one major issue. Plus all seats must remain in the vehicle but may be folded 2 - Keep and amp and battery limit. This keeps cost down and more realistic to a real street vehicle. 3 - Got to square inches to determine class Similar to IDBL. 1-160 ex 1-10, 1-12, and 2-10 1 amp + 1 battery 161-240 1-15, 2-12, and 3-10 1 amp + 1 battery 241-360 2-15, 3-12, and 4-10 2 amps + 2 batteries 361-540 3-15, 4-12, and 6-10 2 amps + 2 batteries 4 - There are musical tracks on DB Jams so why not make it a true street class and have them play music.
These classes include most of your normal daily driver systems.This would increase the number of people who could compete with their dailydriver and that is what this class is about.Just an idea.
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I think one way to keep pros out of Street is to give them two or three classes between Street and Super Street. Classes like 1-2 nw, 3-4 nw, and 1-2 wall, but limit woofer size to 15" and also limit amps i.e. to two per woofer, batteries and caps to one per amp. This will help the smaller retailers that don't get factory help be competitive. The cost jump from Street to Super Street can mean 10K+ to "Run with the Big Boys." Street needs to be at Finals. This gives the "New Blood" an awesome feeling of accomplishment and makes them what to move up. SUV's OK with all seats in and behind rear seats, Vans? only if rules same as SUV's, NO CARGO OR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, it must have seats and windows. NO PROS, is at the discretion of event promoter. They along with retailer hosting show know who they are, just like the old days, if you work at a shop or get any kind of sponsorship from a shop or manufacturer, you are a PRO. Geographic limitations will hurt the true Street competitor if there are not enough shows in his area to get the points needed to go to Finals. To make room for two new classed, make it 9+ in SS and EX. New classes would be Pro Stock 1-2NW, 3-4NW, and 1-2 WALL. P.S. NO blacked out windshields, NO amps under the hood, and NO anything else people can think up that makes a vehicle NOT STREET-ALBE. Maybe we should have the Street vehicles drive around the streets of Nashville for an hour before they pull into the lane, if they haven't gotten a ticket for illegal tint and their amps haven't melted, they can make their run. Maybe this should be done in all classes, they are all suppose to be drivable street legal vehicles! Commercial Vehicles? How lone will it take before someone shows up in cement mixer or fire truck? At least put the restriction on commercial and manufacture owned vehicles back in Street. Thanks for this opportunity, BRAD
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Just for my two sents i did compete a little bit this year and it does add up when i comes to traveling and paying for entry fees so if someones willing to work to get to finals then i think that they are entiteled to compete for finals...I dont know about anyone else but I do lose to others and it makes me try to find a way to "get louder" and the last thing I want to hear is you still wont get to goto finals...Some sort of reward is needed for the street class, I know thats where I started and probably where most others have too...trying to find a way to regulate the classes thats going to take some work...I guess if you feel you need to use a van leave it way back in the cargo space (behind the last seat that is made..you know what im talking about the little 2 ft area that would never acomplish any thing for spl) I purposly bumped up a class a few times just so the kids (newbies) could play I do this for the sport not to anilate someone...I still think its fun to watch someone run a sweep to see how loud they can get team tsw
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this is my 2 cents if the street class gos i personally cant compete anymore im on a limited budget to compete i cant spend 5000-10000 on equipment to compete and be competitive i think street class should be at finals and be able to collect points even pro street makes sense
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I think that Street class should be part of finals, but I also believe that experienced people should be in the current setup. My two cents worth are as follows: 1. Keep the current Street class but only for newbies. This class should not be in finals though. 2. Add a StreetX (experienced)class. Then open that class to everyone. This class will be in finals and should have points added to it. This way all the experienced people can compete in this class with the same street limitations.
If you take that into perspective ... the newbies can compete along side with the big boys and learn. They would not be threatened by them. Next year they would be ready to play in the big leagues. At the same time all the experienced people still have a street class they can compete in. I like the street (even though I don't compete in it) because you are creating a lot with all the restrictions.
Now how do you define a newbie ... first year competing in the industry, they also get excluded from this if they have a year or more under there belt from any other SPL curcuit out there. There are plenty of people who compete in more then just drags that could petition someone lying. They also must conform to the street rules. Just a personal note as well, there systems must not be installed by a pro shop. To me they are competing with a pro setup at that point.
I would like to get feed back from others regarding my suggestion.
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