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car audio comps are getting fewer and fewer now to break it up into a special groups is pushing things. i like comps because there is people of all sorts there and they get together for one thing, car audio!
what you dont like or want to assoiated with people not of ur religion? i am not religious at all but i dont care what religion you are, people are people. dont segerate...
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Profanity is everywhere so I don't see the problem with music that includes cuss words except racial ones in a public event. I'd say play whatever you want, Lil Jon to Elton John.
Now about ur idea of keeping the kids "clean"...
You can't keep the youths in a virtual pleasantville anymore. Time has changed and keeping a kid from street knowledge nowadays is like keeping a panda bear from knowing how to kill, meaning that they won't know how to act if a situation comes up. Remember that 18 year-old girl who worked at McDonalds and her manager told her to get naked and she took all of her clothes off because "my parents told me to always listen to adults?" How about all the priests who were molesting little boys then preaches against same-sex marriage? Most of those kids don't even know what's going on when the guy took nude pictures of them.
btw the first human-raised panda bear who was released into the wild died in a few months, apparently from getting beat up by wild pandas.
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Regardless of anyone else's opinions about whether or not profanity and blatant sexual references are "offensive" or not. There are obviously still people in the world that find this type of behavior rude. I am not one that gets offended by "curse words" or whatever you would like to call them, but certain forms of etiquette still exist. You don't say "yo what up my N#$%@" when you go to a job interview, most people don't go up to someone they have never met before and say "how the F#$% are you doin man!" Sure, when I stub my toe, or my car dies, or heck, if I blow my subs at a comp, I might drop a couple profanities, but I do my best to be mindful of the people around me. I don't use them every other word in an attempt to form a sentence.
Learning different profanities has absolutely NOTHING to do with "street knowledge"(whatever you think that is). I'm not talking about sheltering your kids, I'm talking about teaching them right from wrong(yes there is such a thing as right and wrong), how to be considerate of the people around you, and how to show respect to others as well REGARDLESS of their age, race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, etc. Yes there have been some terrible examples of things that have happened, even including priests that are supposedly christians. THAT however is not the NORM. The norm nowadays are drug addicts, full prisons, gang violence, shootings, unwanted pregnancies, kids who never get a chance to do anything with their lives because they can barely pay their child support or day care expenses, which in some cases leads to the above I just mentioned.
Now this thread all got started because of AUDIBLE COMPLAINTS by other former competitors (not necessarily christians) about the profanity and degrading lyrical content they had experienced at many competitions. The idea of a christian competitive soundoff organization was suggested simply because that type of environment doesn't generally allow for that type of thing as much. I have not gotten the impression at all that current competitive organizations should embrace christian values or anything of the sort. Just that maybe it would be a good idea to provide an environment for autosound enthusiasts to get together and have fun without all of the profanity. WHICH IS CURRENTLY in the rulebook of, I believe, ALL of the sanctioning soundoff organizations. It simply needs to be enforced. Obviously someone within all five of those sanctioning organizations believes that profanity is rude as well (maybe not to them, but they realize it still is to a large portion of the population) and therefore the rules are shaped accordingly.
Again, My opinion on this matter is not that a new organization should be started (but I would support it if it did), but that Sanctioning bodies need to do something to enforce these applicable rules at their shows, and I think that they will start getting at least slightly better turnouts. I don't think anyone would decide not to go to a competition because there wasn't going to be any of that really cool profanity and music that degrades women. That will however turn away competitors, spectators, and their friends and family as well.
I have been to one or two zoos in my life and I have run into very few pandas that have the ability to speak, read and write, graduate high school, go to college or start their own business. PEOPLE are obviously different from pandas. I will raise my kids the best way I can, I have heard some crap out of the mouths of 8-10 year olds that I was too ashamed to say when I was 18, and I had a mouth like a sailor when I was 18. My kids are going to get exposed to this generations "Moral and Ethical Code" one way or another, and when that happens they are going to be responsible for making the right decisions and taking responsibility for all of the wrong decisions. When I was 18, I had the good sense to watch my mouth, especially when there were little kids around.
Sorry about the book Stevo. That is all I have to say.
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Where are the morals at soundoffs? Comps should be without any cursing and ill feeling. There should be nothing but smiles and balloons for everyone.
Rules against the language in the music used at shows, why stop there? How about rules against any music that raw power or emotion such as anger. Because music that evokes such strong emotion cannot be conducive for a peaceful being and those that are easily influenced or persuaded can only learn horrible things from such music.
While were at it, maybe the whole idea of competition should also be nixed. Surely, competition or rivalry can only bring out feelings of envy and hatred to others. Yes, competition should be taken out of the equation. Competition would only cause the easily influenced or persuaded to employ deceitful tactics in order to win fueled by envy or lust and avoid the offense of being a loser.
Since there is to be no competition, there is no losers or winners. It would be a win-win situation.
There also wouldn't be a need to have more than one manufacturer represented at such events.
Maybe there should also be a cap as to how much someone competing can spend on their system. Because such a hobby/sport that requires an excessive amount of money can be influencial for reckless spending and such reckless spending is offensive.
Speaking of reckless, why would any law abiding, peaceful seeking person want to have a system that is loud enough to cause permanent hearing damage? Surely, an easily influenced person will be persuaded by others around them to use their system recklessly.
So, from now on maybe shows should be anti expressive, opinionated, competitive events without expensive or loud systems. Because someone may be influenced or offended.
Do you see a common denominator? While I may be surrounded with people playing vulgar music, I choose to demo vehicle with little to no vulgarity. The ONLY reason I am doing this is because I choose to. Just as I will choose differ if I feel it is the right thing to do.
Now, I applaude anyone who is truly devoted to their religion,I think that is great. But if you are truly devoted, why would you allow your surroundings have such an ill effect on you? Ask yourself this: Am I easily influenced or offended?
To answer Steve o's question "Why are Christians expected to be tolerant of everyone else but others refuse to tolerate Christians?"
I accept each Christian as an idividual and as the person that they are just as I hope they accept me, as an individual and without judgement.
If YOU feel that no one tolerates YOUR beliefs maybe you are imposing your beliefs or expecting others to feel as you. If you are, don't get mad because some people don't think as you do.
Goindeaf- One of the reasons it appears that I practice some courtesy is because I was raised that way and I choose to. Some of the reasons I practice defiance is because I was not only raised that way but I choose to. Regardless, I thank my parents for showing me what is right and wrong and giving me character by allowing me to choose.
I'm glad there are still parents like you that are taking the responsibility of raising your children and not forcing the world around them to change for them.
Also, as Andy first stated, the industry is already having a hard enough time existing.
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I get your point but I was saying profanity happens all the time and kids should know what those words mean, what they describe and why using those words is usually a bad idea. Of course people shouldn't swear in front of kids but sometimes it just happens so you might as well educate them first before they encounter it themselves and not know what to say. I'm not trying to tell you how to teach kids but that's just my opinion on the subject. Kinda like the sex, STD and pregnancy prevention talk that many parents fails to tell.
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quote:Originally posted by Bassphobia: Remember that 18 year-old girl who worked at McDonalds and her manager told her to get naked and she took all of her clothes off because "my parents told me to always listen to adults"?
At 18, I seriously do not think it was "my parents told me to always listen to adults", but rather fear of losing her job or she willing gave into it.
On the other hand, she could have been mentally challenged.
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You should probably approach the judges and sanctioning bodies about enforcing their rules. Maybe get competitors to sign petitions to prove how many people are offended that don't speak up.
FloridaSPL.com is a Christian organization. We do our best as followers to represent Christ in the environment that we are given. Remember, he spent his time with those who needed him most.
And I agree that it's easy for us as believers to get caught up in the Matthew 7:1-2 issue. I applaud you for standing up for what you believe. Most of those who agree with you are probably going to stay silent on the forum.
Talk to the judge at the show and ask him what he's doing to enforce the rule. Ask him to make an announcement to the crowd. I believe a petition from the shows would benefit your arguement the most with the organizations that claim to have the rule.
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If you want to reduce the amount of profanity in music that is played at a stereo competiton, simply do not give the user any attention. While winning it the basic fundamental of a competition, approval from ones own peers also plays a factor. Gather a group of people that believe in your same philosophy, create a logo that promotes non profanity, and verbally promote your ideas. In most competititons, the competitors being judges will ususally have a gathering around the vehicle during the judging. When a vehicle is not being judges, people will continue to spectate aroud the vehicles. When a competitor uses music which consist of profanity, simply walk away from the vehicle and show no more interest towards that competitor. Image in you will, a competitor attends an event, and no one is interested in viewing his vehicle. When he pulls into the judging area, no one seems to care. Eventually, that comeptitor will either change his type of music, or will cease to attend future events. Being that this sport is an addiction, more than likely he will select different types of music and would continue to compete. You have projected your thoughts and ideas, without censorship. Most all people seek approval from others, even if they refuse to admit it. This is evident by the amount of attention people put into thier vehicles (aftermarket rims, custom paint, fashionable interiors, etc.). If you dismiss all of thier efforts, they will change in order to regain your approval.
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then finish it off with controversial current events org.
i agree there is a social responsibility that goes along with owning a system just as there is for buying a Z06 or whatever, personal music choice will always be controversial so respectfully listen to whatever you want to just as i will continue to do within the db creed spirit of things.
i doubt you could even make out one word in most bass racers anyways during a run in the lanes but if you're so set on this zero tolerance profanity thing i wish you the best and good luck i have other things to worry about
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quote:Originally posted by big noiz: maybe one org. for a religion...
then one for a political view...
then finish it off with controversial current events org.
i agree there is a social responsibility that goes along with owning a system just as there is for buying a Z06 or whatever, personal music choice will always be controversial so respectfully listen to whatever you want to just as i will continue to do within the db creed spirit of things.
i doubt you could even make out one word in most bass racers anyways during a run in the lanes but if you're so set on this zero tolerance profanity thing i wish you the best and good luck i have other things to worry about
YIKES!
I cannot believe this. Bruce, mark your calendar. For once I whole heartedly agree with you.
This was about the smartest thing I think you have EVER said.
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quote:Originally posted by big noiz: I doubt you could even make out one word in most Bass Racers anyways during a run in the lanes
Not the 83. CLEAR, LOW & LOUD!
In the lanes, I play bass recordings, like Bass Mekanik, with no profanity.
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tucked65, I am going to assume that you have never been around the KKK. If you had, you would not make such claims. What you read in books, or on the internet, is not a how things truely are in the real world.
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I think the core idea is great. The few shows I have thrown, I contain the foul music. We all like a great beat. .but I would like my shows to be family friendly. What's funny is .. people buying all of that music are not doing half of what it says and the artists making the music are not either.
Long story short. I do think the sport should aim at being family friendly. If we want participation and growth .. it always starts in our youth. I meant, . . let's look at McDonalds. They teach kids from a young age that they are good and fun. We should get young kids involved too. .
I'm rambling. . but that's my .02.
Oh, and I would love to see some mini's compete. You know .. small electric cars kids have. Get them involved.
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Where do you get this stuff? Pure ignorance... KKK goes completely against what the Bible teaches. I love this idea of a cleaner competition environment. People have been stating that there are just a few in number going to competitions and stuff... I'd bet dollars to donets that the environment is the number one cause. It doesn't neccesarily have to be a "Christian" competition or whatever, but standards should be set and followed through with... I am a Christian/Apostolic and I totaly agree with cutting out the degrading music and whatnot...
Kurt
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quote:Originally posted by automediapro: Oh, and I would love to see some mini's compete. You know .. small electric cars kids have. Get them involved.
When that concept was originally formed, DBDRA had the opportunity to include it into their format. Be fore that happened, USACi saw the potential and has included it in thier format. (http://www.soundoff.org/minisplrules.htm). The concept began on this forum, a few years ago, after someone mounted a radio, speakers and a battery into a rolling water cooler. Competitors expanded on the idea, and the powerwheel competition began. From faded memory, Mark Master was the person to originally get the concept introduced into sactioned competition. With help from other competitors, a general set of rules were developed. If you get the opportunity to watch the powerwheel comeptition, you would enjoy it.
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I've been a long time atheist, though nowadays I lean more toward being an agnostic.
That being said, given the choice of going not going to a comp, or going to a comp that didn't allow you to bass race with the music you wanted to... I would choose to not go.
They're just words people. Have you not seen tv or watched a movie in the past 20 years? Personally, I love bass heavy rap with nothing but F-bombs and weed references throughout. Throw in some death and black metal as well.
I could care less what religion anybody is, doesn't affect me in any way. Go ahead and try to get something going, there's bound to be some people who will think it's a great idea.
As for me, I'll make my choice to not attend your event and completely disagree with everything you think.
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quote:Originally posted by kurtdirt1: I think it's a great idea...I wish there was something like that around here. I don't listen to secular music because of what it promotes. Negative attitudes, making women objects, idolatry, etc... I listen to some bass mechanic every now and then for the bass but that's about it... If you need some support just let me know...
Kurt
there is something like that near you.. in Sac every year I do a show called Holy Fire Weekend.. and we have yet to have any problems with attendance or the competitors.. but then again.. I dont swear or play any offensive music at my shows later Doug
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I'm not saying the KKK is actually a practicing christian organization. But, the whole basis of their beliefs are supposedly taken from like one line of the bible or some **** like that. Its about the same as Al Quieda saying they are Islam.
What I'm trying to say is claiming a specific religion is going to start more **** than it is going to solve. Islam and Judism don't promote vulgar language and "macking on hoes" like everyone here makes it out to be. ****, Satanism has a better set of morals than that.
quote:Originally posted by Andy Jones: Christian or otherwise, I think the last thing we need is another sound competition organization to divide even further the very few competitors that are out there, and dividing even further the very limited manufacturer support that is out there.
Work towards having the existing organizations working together (joint shows/joint finals), and getting them to get rid of the garbage in the shows.
my 2 cents.
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quote:Originally posted by stevo_88: Why are Christians expected to be tolerant of everyone else
Isn't that one of the tenets of Christianity?
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quote:Originally posted by stevo_88: Why are Christians expected to be tolerant of everyone else
Isn't that one of the tenets of Christianity?
Indeed it is. I think his point was that people are not tolerant of Christians in our post modern society. When you tell someone that you follow the teaching of Jesus Christ they tend to shun you, or stop listening like you have an agenda.
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