on their blacklist is someone i know and he still sells their stuff and still gives warranty. doesnt stop him cause they dont know where his getting them from.
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there's a difference between a company that says "no online sales" and then doesn't actively do anything to stop it or track it down. and really doesn't care anyway because they're making sales.
i saw their blacklist. and if they were really worried about it, they would stamp serial #'s on the basket underneath the spider, buy a sub online, then tear the soft parts out and go after the dealer they shipped the sub to.
like dynaudio, where emelios hand writes SN's all over the drivers so it can't be removed. and then keeps track. that is active.
and it's funny the dealers that complain to him for putting the SN's on there, are some of the same one's who back door them. sound familliar anyone? you know who you are.
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I know Im way behind on this topic but I like to add this. How many ppl shop around for anything really. Cars ,CD's, clothing aka jeans mabye with or without holes already in them, TV's, Food, Mabye even Gas. Anything at all.
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I would say that about 80% of people are going to buy online simply because they get a better price. It is simply a matter of economics. The lowest right now price is going to win the majority of the time. I do a little bit of both internet buying and speaker shop buying. I however like another guy on this topic don't typically get very good service at my local shop simply because I am young. Lets just face it, unless you are a serious competitor that is constantly in a speaker shop needing little odds and ends things and new subs and amps then you are probably more likely to look towards the internet. As for going against my community by buying online that is a bit of a reach. Sure the speaker shop is a part of my community but it is a very very small part of it. What about the people who never step foot in a speaker shop? Are they agaist their community? I'm not going to go to my speaker shop and pay $300 for something I know I can get online for half the price. For a high school student it is just not economically smart. Perhaps I'll continue to buy online and then I'll go volunteer at the soup kitchen to better my community.
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im all in favor of supporting local jobs.but i will allways buy my car audio products online.local shops want to much for there stuff. there is no reason if you own a shop, and you get a sub for $150, to turn around and sell it for $400.that is crazy!!!i can get a soundstream xxx15 for around $800 on the net. why the hell would i go to my local dealer and spend $1500 on the same sub.maybe more people would buy from local shops if you didnt jack the prices up so high.
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This one will be on the dollar menu soon! Wonder who will snatch it up....
Good indicator of where car audio is headed.
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Id like to also add this to my post. I know many of the parents around the world have taught this to their children to shop around. Why buy jeans for 100 plus dollars that have holes in them when you can go down to walmart buy good jeans for 20 40 bucks and wear the holes in them yourself. To add this I seen some one say this will be the death of car audio or local shops and such. I think not. You have to give theses young kids a chance to even buy things alot of stuff now days is really ,really high price I know In jersey life, living now days is not cheap so we dont have all the money in the world to buy high dollar equipment or overly priced ones. How is the sport going to keep going If no one can afford to buy anything. So If buying things online helps to keep the sport going so be it. The few shops In NJ DE area I see are doing just fine and expanding. Good shops are going to get their money one way or another. I see it at my car dealership all the time.
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quote:Originally posted by Audioatg: Id like to also add this to my post. I know many of the parents around the world have taught this to their children to shop around. Why buy jeans for 100 plus dollars that have holes in them when you can go down to walmart buy good jeans for 20 40 bucks and wear the holes in them yourself. To add this I seen some one say this will be the death of car audio or local shops and such. I think not. You have to give theses young kids a chance to even buy things alot of stuff now days is really ,really high price I know In jersey life, living now days is not cheap so we dont have all the money in the world to buy high dollar equipment or overly priced ones. How is the sport going to keep going If no one can afford to buy anything. So If buying things online helps to keep the sport going so be it. The few shops In NJ DE area I see are doing just fine and expanding. Good shops are going to get their money one way or another. I see it at my car dealership all the time.
flash back 10 yrs ago, before internet buying, shows were bigger this sport was bigger, and dollar for dollar stuff was priced exactly as it is now, yes now that you see prices of stuff that major distributors buy and resell direct, i know even from my distributor they are small in the grand scheme of things its cheaper on ebay cause someone buying 10 of something or someone buying 10,000 who's going to get a better price?
and cause i know you, i know you were upset when finish line went under and how their is no shows around us and there was a few years back besides slap this is the reason why, a shop barely being able to operate isnt going to drop a few hundred to host a show for a bunch of ebay buying punks, or run the risk of it being a flop because no one knows there is a show cause they have 25 people come through their showroom when they used to have a few hundred come through.
I'll admit i havent bought anything from my local dealers cause you know what they suck badly not the prices per say but the service and employess are horrible, if i lived closer to us audio or terrys shop autosound express i'd buy stuff from them because they support the sport and are all around good guys, i would kill to have decent shops around me to get stuff from but i dont, thats why us audios last show i donated 125 to make it happen, i needed points for finals but louis is a great guy and if he ever needed someone to help support a show again i would cut him a check in a minute, but bottom line you want shows in the area sometimes its worth to spend the extra money
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence - Johnny: I get most of my stuff AT OR NEAR COST, but I buy it from a dealer, so I can get warranty and whatnot. I could SAVE A FEW BUX ON EBAY, but whats the point...
That about sums it up... ebay typically has stuff for less than dealer cost.
Simple example of why prices are what they are:
If you sell, say, 4 amps that cost you $500 at $100 profit, just to get them out the door... as opposed to 1 amp as say $400 profit...
With cheap equipment sales, generally you are forced to discount install... say out of those 4 amps sold, 3 got them installed for $100 each. The one who paid more will pay more for install, say 200 for the one amp.
Hey you just made $800 instead of $600!
You paid someone $10/hr for a full day installing and selling the 4 amps, a 2 hours installing the one amp.
You have to now buy 4 amps to replace the ones you sold, or you have to buy 1 amp.
So at the end of the day, you either:
sold 4 amps for a net $2400, and made 300 installing them. Your cost here is $2000 to replenish the stock, and $80 to the installer, and you tied up the installer for a full day. Profit at the end of the day is $320
Sold 1 amp for a net $900, and made $200 installing it. your cost is $500 to buy a new amp, and $20 to the installer. Profit at the end of the day is $580
See where I'm going? Discounting "just to make a sale", sometimes isn't worth it... there are other costs involved, and there is a point to where its just not worth selling anymore.
Now of course there is that wonderful sweet spot with any business where prices are to the point where you keep people coming, yet you still make enough to keep the doors open.
If you can only sell one amp every week for $400 profit, but you can sell 4 amps a day for $100 profit... well obviously your gonna lower that price, or better yet, find a happy medium.
quote:Originally posted by Audioatg: Id like to also add this to my post. I know many of the parents around the world have taught this to their children to shop around. Why buy jeans for 100 plus dollars that have holes in them when you can go down to walmart buy good jeans for 20 40 bucks and wear the holes in them yourself. To add this I seen some one say this will be the death of car audio or local shops and such. I think not. You have to give theses young kids a chance to even buy things alot of stuff now days is really ,really high price I know In jersey life, living now days is not cheap so we dont have all the money in the world to buy high dollar equipment or overly priced ones. How is the sport going to keep going If no one can afford to buy anything. So If buying things online helps to keep the sport going so be it. The few shops In NJ DE area I see are doing just fine and expanding. Good shops are going to get their money one way or another. I see it at my car dealership all the time.
flash back 10 yrs ago, before internet buying, shows were bigger this sport was bigger, and dollar for dollar stuff was priced exactly as it is now, yes now that you see prices of stuff that major distributors buy and resell direct, i know even from my distributor they are small in the grand scheme of things its cheaper on ebay cause someone buying 10 of something or someone buying 10,000 who's going to get a better price?
and cause i know you, i know you were upset when finish line went under and how their is no shows around us and there was a few years back besides slap this is the reason why, a shop barely being able to operate isnt going to drop a few hundred to host a show for a bunch of ebay buying punks, or run the risk of it being a flop because no one knows there is a show cause they have 25 people come through their showroom when they used to have a few hundred come through.
I'll admit i havent bought anything from my local dealers cause you know what they suck badly not the prices per say but the service and employess are horrible, if i lived closer to us audio or terrys shop autosound express i'd buy stuff from them because they support the sport and are all around good guys, i would kill to have decent shops around me to get stuff from but i dont, thats why us audios last show i donated 125 to make it happen, i needed points for finals but louis is a great guy and if he ever needed someone to help support a show again i would cut him a check in a minute, but bottom line you want shows in the area sometimes its worth to spend the extra money
Yeah it was a shame that finishline went under. But they didnt go because no one came to their shows. There was alot of reason form what I hear but one main reason was their location. A car audio shop out in the middle of the boonies is not going to get much buisness. And who from DE or even NJ would drive down there when they could just go to audio jam or even sound of tri state all five of their shops are closer. Or shop online. I see Audio Jam and Sound of tri state doing great. Audio jam opened up another store. Tweeter I think just went in another direction they saw bigger and better business from Home audio then they saw from car audio. Now your saying that you have no shops but from what it sounds like reading some other posts is that you should drive that hour and soo everytime you need somthin. But what happens when you like somthin that no shops has in your area or even in the next state. What your not allowed to buy somthin offline then. ANother thing is well lets see that audio jam show last year with the 40 to 50 cars in it. Im sure that not all of thoses ppl who went to the show brought things from audio jam. So all the ebay buying punks in that show made them money. You even have ppl who dont even have shops wanting to do shows. Me included. Im amazed that still ppl think that everyone has all the money in the world to buy things. Have you seen what gas prices are now days. Some kid who can barely pay for gas is not going to want to spend 2 to 3 hundred dollars more just to make everyone on this site feel at ease. I bet you that there are more of theses ebay buying punks at some or even all of the shows I been at and mabye you have been at. I bet that there are more of them then there are ppl who buy at the local shops in thoses shows. I know I am and so are you too. 10 years ago you could still shop around just like you can now days. Might be different but its still the same. I dunno about how bigger the shows were back then think I started in 98 when it was Iasca at the tweeter but I think there were less Iasca shows then and more slapshows now days. And the number of shows I been to each year hasnet changed for the past ten years. I can still get to 10 to 12 shows each year. But I dont just go to dbdrag shows.
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OK . . . what if you went into your local shop and:
1. They treated you with dignity 2. They knew the answers to all of your questions 3. They had what you wanted to buy in stock 4. They took the time to understand your needs 5. They were able to demonstrate products to you that they felt best fit your needs 6. They were able to install the system in your car to deliver the experience you came in for 7. They stood behind their work by offering you a full warranty on the equipment you purchased from them and on their installation labor 8. The system they installed in your vehicle was fully upgradable and expandable so that down the road, if you wanted to add to it, you could easily do so without having to hawk off the gear you already invested your money in
Would price be such a factor then? Especially, if you consider that they may actually SAVE you money in the long run.
How many of you would shop there? How many of you would use their expertise to your advantage then go and buy the equipment wherever you could find it cheaper?
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how bout this manufacturers ar enot helping hte industry in some cases here is one for example.
SOny rep: we have a radio you can sell for 89.00 and the 210 replaces your 109 radio at retail of 99.00
sin=gle chain retailer: so you have a cheap cd player we can sell cheap just doesnt have rca preout? and our 109. radio with selectable rea/sub preout is being replaced by an idectincal model with new number. COOL we will order 2 cases of each
sony rep: NO PROBLEM YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ORDER in 2 days.
fast forward 4 days we have our order in and a cusotmer in
customer: i bought a sony cdplayer at walmart can you install it?
us: Sure. any reaosn you bout it at malmart?
cust.: yeahit was 50.00 dollars
US: (to ourselves)must be old stock or open box no big deal.
pull the car in and look at radio customer bought and low and behold it is a WLAMART partnumber (nothing new). but not only does it cost less than our 89.00 retail radio but it cost less than what we pay for hte 89.00 radio.
But wait it gets better the walmart radio has a selectable rear/sub preout. so we get to looking at the new radios we just reciecved and findout that both the 89 and 99 dollar radios are both built with NO preouts
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN THIS INDUSTRY?!?!??!?!
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quote:there are always some customers that have to learn the hard way about buying junk.
in other news, i heard US Amps canned 5 +/- dealers they caught.
That is great and all, but tell me how it helps shutting down dealers when US AMPs also sells through a cheap pawn shop distributer? I have a copy of the M&M Merchandising 2006 catalog right in front of me. Inside you will find products like Audiopipe,Spl,Legacy,Volfenhag, Pyramid,Phonics Digital and then low and behold US Amps and RE Audio. The XT line all the way to the AX line. The RE all the way to the MT and XXX. And guess what folks IT IS LESS THAN DEALER COST This aint no small black and white sales paper it is a glossy 410 page catalog. This is the problem. I urge every US AMPS/ RE dealer to call the company about this. Anyone with a buisiness liscence can oreder these products and dump them on ebay. Tell me how shutting down dealers is gonna stop that. This is US AMPs official distributor, they will admit it. The tire shop down the street from me already bought a ish load of RE and US amps from these guys, and im authiorized, supposed to be protected. The distributor claims they didnt know... LMFAO. IF someone 1/4 mile down the street from a authorized Dealer can get it.... what then
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like you said, call them and raise hell. if they're true about stopping all that, they'll drop that "pawn shop" distro like dropping a turd in the toilet after a bout of exlax.
lol, yeah, i'm sure that distro "didn't know". all they want is sales #'s.
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quote:there are always some customers that have to learn the hard way about buying junk.
in other news, i heard US Amps canned 5 +/- dealers they caught.
That is great and all, but tell me how it helps shutting down dealers when US AMPs also sells through a cheap pawn shop distributer? I have a copy of the M&M Merchandising 2006 catalog right in front of me. Inside you will find products like Audiopipe,Spl,Legacy,Volfenhag, Pyramid,Phonics Digital and then low and behold US Amps and RE Audio. The XT line all the way to the AX line. The RE all the way to the MT and XXX. And guess what folks IT IS LESS THAN DEALER COST This aint no small black and white sales paper it is a glossy 410 page catalog. This is the problem. I urge every US AMPS/ RE dealer to call the company about this. Anyone with a buisiness liscence can oreder these products and dump them on ebay. Tell me how shutting down dealers is gonna stop that. This is US AMPs official distributor, they will admit it. The pawn shop down the street from me already bought a ish load of RE and US amps from these guys, and im authiorized, supposed to be protected. The distributor claims they didnt know... LMFAO. IF someone 1/4 mile down the street from a authorized Dealer can get it.... what then
m&m cannot sell to anyone without a signed usamps dealer agreement. you must have display room to display the eq. & must have fulltime installer on hand.
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Deaf Tones has it down quite well. Companies that went down the tube did not change their business plan. Who always wins the fight; the one that took the time to study the others methods and or the one that can adapt the fastest. Here is a synopsis of a statement he made a few pages back. People only come with 100% energy at the beginning of the day. You have a choice of how to use each and every fraction of a percent. Put your mind in a state of what will earn MONEY and happy customers...since that is the root of this whole discussion. Every second you spend outside of that single minded goal, you are expending energy percentage in the negative direction. Your energy equals money or debt....make the right choice every second of the day.
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It's all about charging for services. I work at a computer sales store. The computers sold do not make much money. There are even times when we lose money on the computer sales to stay competitive with other stores. The company makes the majority of it's money from installing antivirus, office, other software onto the computer and extended warranties through the company. If a customer comes in with a computer problem and a Dell computer, which only sells online or by phone, or a computer without an instore warranty we don't turn them away. We will give it a quick look and if we need to fix something we charge them for it. If we need to look at it further we let them know and charge for looking at it. This may be a little different than the car audio scene because for computers basic warranty they deal with the manufacturer and it's not fixed at the store unless they pay for it or paid extra fee when the bought the product for the instore warranty. If you get someone to buy a product they will most likely have you install it.. There is no need to mark the products up so much. Also matching local prices is also nice.
I am sure there are also computers online cheaper than the store but its probably a max of 5% cheaper.
It's all about staying competitive. If you can't stay competitive your business is going to struggle. Find new ways to make money. If you're a good business person you'll figure out ways.
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quote:there are always some customers that have to learn the hard way about buying junk.
in other news, i heard US Amps canned 5 +/- dealers they caught.
That is great and all, but tell me how it helps shutting down dealers when US AMPs also sells through a cheap pawn shop distributer? I have a copy of the M&M Merchandising 2006 catalog right in front of me. Inside you will find products like Audiopipe,Spl,Legacy,Volfenhag, Pyramid,Phonics Digital and then low and behold US Amps and RE Audio. The XT line all the way to the AX line. The RE all the way to the MT and XXX. And guess what folks IT IS LESS THAN DEALER COST This aint no small black and white sales paper it is a glossy 410 page catalog. This is the problem. I urge every US AMPS/ RE dealer to call the company about this. Anyone with a buisiness liscence can oreder these products and dump them on ebay. Tell me how shutting down dealers is gonna stop that. This is US AMPs official distributor, they will admit it. The pawn shop down the street from me already bought a ish load of RE and US amps from these guys, and im authiorized, supposed to be protected. The distributor claims they didnt know... LMFAO. IF someone 1/4 mile down the street from a authorized Dealer can get it.... what then
m&m cannot sell to anyone without a signed usamps dealer agreement. you must have display room to display the eq. & must have fulltime installer on hand.
Its nice that they say that, but we have a signed dealer contract with US Amps/RE Audio, and I know the tire store didnt. WE have US AMPs and RE subs i8n our personal vehicles and shop demo vehicle, we have advertised RE in newspaper and TV and Radio Spots for over a year. One day I pick up the paper and thye tire place has a big US Amps and RE logo in their ad. I send someone down there and trhey have got the REs, XTs, and SRs, and a few SEs sitting around thier dingy tire/auto repair shop. I guess tire changers qualify as "qaulifies installers" and thier dingy tire storage area qualifies as a showrom. I know those guys didnt have a contract. It sucks they we build a name for a product like RE in our town then someone else comes along to feed off our advertising dollar. I believe alot of the product on ebay is coming from guys buying from M&M not dealers.
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Alot of the major brands are selln out on us!! I went to a local "PAWN" shop fri. and guess what i see...."KICKER" everywhere!! With no install bay, yet alone any installers!! Now they also had a bunch of wholesale house crap to, but i guess the 2 compliment each other, but im not dogging out kicker because i know the distributor they are buying from, and this particular company will sell to our kids lemonade stand !! Whats really bad is i used to deal with this same distibutor at my old shop a few years back and back then they had a good reputation, but with shops having to fight the net,its also hurting these companies also.. So now they are dropping their standards and selling to anybody to make up for the loss. Now what once made Kicker stand out is gone!!! Now Kicker is sitting on the same shelf as "Pyramid"!!!
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So the new thing is to buy stuff real cheap online then sell it for more in your store, but only offer a 30-day guarantee for exchange of the same product? Not too bad of an idea IMO.
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quote:Originally posted by MOJOMAN: Now Kicker is sitting on the same shelf as "Pyramid"!!!
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and take this thread with you.
Whoever deleted my post you forgot one! What people arnt allowed to reply to a post made to them??? Censorship in DBDRAG?? Who ever imagined such a thing.............lolololol..
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