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As i was at a event Matt was running today and i was talking to some veterans of the game. i really need to say some of the things i have been saying to friends for a while.
positives to bringing back PRO and AMA.
As i was talking to some friends i was saying what i would do "if i had the money" and why the pro class is NEEDED or at least a "Dealership" class. There are very few shop vs shop events like there used to be in the past. and i think this is KEY
The reasons from my understanding that amateur and pro was eliminated was from pro's that had no pride and competed in the AMA ranks and for those who have money spending the cash and getting a system installed by a pro. (is this not what dealers are in business for?)
So instead of having a few people with money and a few pros competing as amateurs we said heck just throw all them together so it is worse for the "everyday Joe" to compete.
Thus this sport has become the "SPORT OF KINGS" Cause only a few can afford or have the support to be competive.
Dealership vs Dealerships need to happen again this is where the consumers notice shops and what Manufacture would not want to support the dealership whereas the consumers can see the product in action vs every competitor asking a manufacture for a discount for a product cutting out the dealer just to be a little bit more competive against the pro's and the other people who got sponsorships.
How can a shop morally go into competition against the competitor that spent money in their shop and would be in the same class.
I originally was going to post this in the judges forum, but i thought this would be the better place to put it.
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I agree, w/what team schwartz said. I have decided myself that unless I spend the time and money to be a huge competitor and make this a full time hobby, I will never move up in rank as far as street classes go. Its also who is willing to help you out, and some people just don't feel like helping others anymore. this is why I'm going to do other things than just db drag. Also, this hobby, there's no real continguncy (i spelled that wrong) if you get first place or 8th place. Myself, at one point soon, I plan to buy a truck. Why, b/c I want something to show for my hard work. The latest break ins in our neighborhood have made me re-consider how I spend my money and security also. and since finals is right around the corner, I might as well just chill, plan my stuff out and come out next year...However, As my job requires more or less, I won't be at saturday -day- shows as I will work till 5pm. So next season might not be very promising either. Hopefully terry brocks will have some sunday shows at his shop!!!!!=P
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Thats not going to fix any thing. It may be a good idea but it would only lead to more class's and that would make things worse.
Any joe blow can be competitive if they work at it. People think street is unfare, well how long have these people had to perfect there build ? You realy think a noob is going to beat them ? If they want it bad enough and work there ass off in time the noob will win.
It comes down to people being lazy. Every one says the old days were better....and claim they worked so hard and knew so much.......the numbers used to be huge before the sensor changed, look now they have climed right back to were they used to be. Exteme has broken 180, these people work there ass off. Street C is on the verge of 160 in a crx. People are dailying over 150 now. These things dont happen just becasue a person has money. There is hard work involved.
Most people now are just happy with what they got or they are so stuborn they refuse to learn from others. Crying about not being competitive becasue you cant afford bla bla bla just makes you feel sorry for your self. Sure the best subs and power help but thats not going to off set a 5-10 db diffrence. Thats were we see the people that care vs the people that are content....or just lazy becasue they know they are untouchable for the time being.
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pete i HIGHLY disaree, equipment does have alot and yes a 5 to 10 db increase can occur and has.
I am not stating this for myself, for no matter what i would have to compete as a pro just for the pride thing. I myself have been sponsored and have gained alot when Powerbass sponsored me. Even if it was not a "full Ride".
and THE only reason im stating this is cause i do care.
There should only be one class PRO OPEN
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quote:Originally posted by mdspl: pete i HIGHLY disaree, equipment does have alot and yes a 5 to 10 db increase can occur and has.
I am not stating this for myself, for no matter what i would have to compete as a pro just for the pride thing. I myself have been sponsored and have gained alot when Powerbass sponsored me. Even if it was not a "full Ride".
and THE only reason im stating this is cause i do care.
There should only be one class PRO OPEN
If it takes a sponsorship to get loud this sport is doomed. Some times cheap subs are just as loud with limitied power, amps are only as good as the user is smart.
In street your power is limited by the battery and wire. Both have limits where they are maxxed and nothing you do will gain. These things seem to be widely known.
In street it dosnt matter how big your amp is it will be limited by the wire and the battery...if you disagree with this I would love to be proven wrong.
In Super street build it effient and think out side the box, it will be competitive. If your short on gear just work your a$$ off to make up whats missing. Thats where lots of people go wrong. Power is nothing with out control.
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It pretty much does take money to get loud... $30 subs will NEVER be as loud as $300
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i admit im super lazy. must be good enough though. seems to work well for me. just think if i realy gave a rats a$$. o wait. i used to way back in the day when you had to to even get a finals invite. not just have one given to you. must be nice.
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quote:Originally posted by john-hone: i admit im super lazy. must be good enough though. seems to work well for me. just think if i realy gave a rats a$$. o wait. i used to way back in the day when you had to to even get a finals invite. not just have one given to you. must be nice.
This is true. I dont go to finals to just place I go to play with the best there is. My goal is never 2nd place...that would be a bad way to look at a invite.
quote:Originally posted by Wanna-B-Basshead: It pretty much does take money to get loud... $30 subs will NEVER be as loud as $300
That depends on a lot. In my van they would be much louder then $500 subs in a trunk car.....and the cheap subs would need a lot less power.
Build is every thing.
I'm talking directt drop in. Yeah 100 $30 subs will be louder then say 10 $300 subs, but those 2 set-ups are nowhere close to the same thing
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first of all there are other organizations out there that you can compete in that you do not have to worry bout being in the same class as ray "loud as hell" farmer or terry "give him his 1st place trophy" brocks or the ever popular "assman".
i have a customer that is in AMATUER STREET 1 in meca. and he is doing VERY well...
we as a team did alot of traveling, alot of rebuilds, and we have had a blast doing it. this is supposed to be a hobby, not a job. YOU DONT HAVE TO DO IT. If youre going to be a sore loser, then stay home. I dont care if I place dead last in a show, as long as I had a good time. im good. winning is a bonus. this is when you get to hang with other people that are into the same thing as you. I've met ALOT of nice people over the years at shows, some I like, some not so much. but i try to have fun. ask anyone who has been at a show that TEAM PULSE was attending. We try to just have fun.
and as far as shops having an advantage, thats not true either. not a good shop anyway. I try to use new ideas, or new things in customer's cars, competitors cars to increase their scores. I just did rebuild the box for my car that has been the same for over 2 years now. and it wasn't even designed for spl setup. it's a demo with two freakin 8" DD subs and 800 watts. anyone can afford this system...i started competing with it as a joke... and i have gotten FIRST PLACE at every event i've attended this year (except one, where i got edged out by my own team-mate). and i laugh every time.
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