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I think this discussion will find no end. But here are some points from me, thrown into the discussion:
jarfunkz, you see what problems I have. (other topic in dB Drag section) How much does a US competitor spent into his system? I think, just the costs of travelling over the sea (the last two years average of about 10 000 US Dollar/year) is more than the worth of somebodies system. The time to manage everything and the trouble and the dangers are much higher than building just a loud car. (I tell this to people here in germany also, who just looking at "high scores" and not to points or anything else.) Boy, what do you think how loud my car can be, when I dont have to take care of points, and the money for the trip, and all the advantages US competitors have in my eyes...
As Matze said, 5$ a gallon gas, I see US competitors complaining about 1,60$ a gallon. I just can laugh about that. Serious, believe me,I would like it more to travel 5000 miles one way to a "world final" than crossing the sea. 5000 miles one way, on one continent is an easy ride in comparsion to that, even if the gas is 5$ a gallon.
Have you ever seen american competitors who brought their cars? I dont mean my friends from the army. And I think you will not see it in the near future. Because there is no reason for that, if world finals in a "traditional US sport" are held in ÜSA all the time. When its traditional US, why can the participating competitors be "world campions" when they have all the advantages? (Travelling, gas, etc.) Then call you "US champion" or something else. If you feel in danger, because other parts of the world are now able to take trophies or titles away, accept that or work harder. But just ONE TIME in dB Drag history the "world finals" should be held in Europe. And even if its for just one reason: Showing how difficult it is, and expensive, and dangerous, to cross the sea with a competition vehicle, right in time and in one piece... And lets see, how high your scores are, when you have to concentrate on more things, than making the cars loud. (Ok, when you already HAVE a loud car, it is a different thing)
Man, people from Canada are telling always about the trouble, and its just a border onto the land ! (No disrespekt !)
What are with "traditional" other sports? Athletics for example, or better Olympic games. Founded in Greece (loooong time ago). Isnt it rightm that ALL (in theorie) countries of the world send out people to participate? Isnt it right that the Olympic games are held on ALL places (in theorie) of the world? Sometimes a country has the advantage of a "homegame". THIS IS FAIR. Should the greece people say: Hey, Olympic Games are traditional greece sports, and they must be in greece every year? ...
I promise every US competitor who gets a world champion title in another country thant the own, will feel much more proud ! Look at me, I got some European Campion titles in the past, and more national titles. (Not every year on my own name ). But the participation at the world finals 2001 (in theorie ) and 2002 are making me more proud than any title from the past. Could you believe that? Seeing you car thousands of miles away from home in a foreign country is a thing I cant describe. More adrenalin flows when you are competing internationally. I went to Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, Swiss, Austria and so on. Its completely different than a national final (Like the "World Finals" for you) And even if people bother me because of my 10th place at the world championship last year, I tell them: Make it better by yourself ! And the 7th place in points of the world is not even worth a small honoration over here. This year I am at 2nd place now and can become Vice World Champion in points. I tell you what will happen over here : NOTHING ! And I will have my third World Finals Logo into my stats page, and nobody can take it away. Three years in row now (not even team BS has this...), and I am european !
But this is not important. Please think about my words and accept, that a "traditional ÜS sport" what calls its champions WORLD CHAMPIONS MUST accept that THE WORLD have the rights for defense Even if the rights are, to hold world finals in different countries/continents. Wayne built a great tool with the TermLab.net. Lets use this. But I heard, that some US competitors are not amused by this idea. So lets see what happens next year. Real GLOBAL finals?
Other solution, we hold the World Finals in Australia ! Then NOBODY (even the australian people, hehe) will have a real advantage...
Time to think about it...
Üüüühh!!! Michael (who tries and tries again, and this year with different targets, but maybe the last time in his life...)
PS.: And I said in the past "Better the last place at the world finals, than the first place at the german/euro finals". And my german/european friends hat me for saying that. But I am more supporter of the "real global world finals", I hope everybody understands now why, and will not "hate" me anymore...
quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: our sport, home field advantage.
I will not even bother to comment on this.
Why don't you have the World Finals on Hawaii then? Still "home field advantage" but I wonder how many people will ship their cars from the main land...
-------------------- Martin Nordborg
Swedens loudest Street car in both dB Drag Racing and Bass Race ever!
But before it comes to misunderstandings between me and the other european competitors: I don t say the Euro Finals are bad. They have a bigger international flair than any competition else. So much people with so much different languages from so much different countries. This is a really fine thing...
Üüüühh!!! Michael
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michael, i just find it hard to believe that there is going to be any solution to a complete world finals that everyone participates. this has been a problem since day 1, there is no solution for it. i hope i am not insulting any of you for my remarks, but it is how i feel. wayne's idea with linking about all termlabs is a good idea, but i have still seen variations between the new sensors, notmuch, like it was last year, but close to a db between a few. i am aware that you can turn them up, a competitor over here got his and it was about 5 db louder than another termlab.client. i personally did not see it, but he is a good competitor and i trust him somewhat.
i know that stuff like this will go on and on all the time, mainly because we are human, we take pride in what we do and what not. believe it or not there is a grudge between europe and US for dbdrag(i am sure for other political things as well) but i will not go into that, mainly because i have not experienced it first hand. there can not be a 1 set finals, unless every competitor chips in like $100 and we buy a big cargo plane... hmm maybe i am on to something, although it will never happen.
i know europeans have a disadvantage on equipment because its made on the other side of the world from you. i for one know that prices in the europe are alot higher than over here, but you still have to do what you have to do to do your best, and to be the best, it really comes down to how much you want it. there really is only 1 world finals for dbdrag, and that is in tennessee.
oh yeah, hawaii sounds fine, my dad has a place in koneohe bay. doesn't alot of money to ship your vehicle down there if you do it the smart way(meaning you have friends in the automotive business and they ship huge shipments of vehicles to places). i am sure there is alot of that coming from europe to the US, you really need to make some friends in that circle, and ship yoru vehicle out with theirs. i know for a fact it cuts your expenses for traveling in half, a marine friend of mine shipped a vehicle from okinawa to here for i believe $2700.
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the olympics have turned into more of a political arena these days. back int he greek era, countries did not form, it was mainly internal. not a very good analogy. it seems from some of the comments you guys are getting into the country vs country attitude. dbdrag is a micro scale, it should be competitor vs competitor. ofcourse there is going to be alot of distaste for each other, i mean all of us are pretty secretive and we really do not know what to expect from all of your in europe, and i think it may go both ways, but you would have to tell me that yourself.
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you can't just be sending 1 vehicle overseas, for next year, i take it this year is out of the question, set all this up early in the year, get all the fins involved in this, and it will bring your price tag down a bunch. the more people that go accross on 1 ship, the less $$$ it will be per person. make some friends doing this...
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You think its easy to find some people to go together?
Find me some, and I will do.
Who organizes everything?
Nobody would do the work for others. Just a few people are doing such things.
Look how hard it is for me, to find some people who just trailer my car for a one day ride each way, even if I would pay them some bucks...
Nono, all the time that "easy do this, and that" recommendations. I heard that too much in the past three years, and when I come to that people then, just hot air...
Üüüühh!!! Michael
PS.: Olympia is a good analogy. In my Eyes better than the "Superbowl" analogy
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1 car 1 time cost (logo) 2 cars 2 times costs... 3 cars 3 times costs (whooot???) 4 cars 4 ... 5 cars... 6 ... 7 ... 8 ... 9 ... 10 cars 60% costs for each car.
So you have to find, manage and coordinate everything for 10 cars and minimum 20 people. Saved money 40%. More work 1000+ % Easy calculation hu? I somethings going wrong, or mission failes, 20 people are mad about you. And money is paid in any case. So, easy decision also...
Üüüühh!!! Michael
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someone is always going to have to do the work. maybe i do not completely understand the situations over there, but over here is a bit closer net of competitors. michael, you are our favorite euro, from my eyes you are the only one that actually cares for the sport enough to travel and spend a bunch of money on it. a thing you may try to do, if you have not, is at every big show, tally up who could compete at a world wide level, ask them if they want to go to world finals, exchange phone #'s and all that, let them know whats involved cash wise, and everything. if no one calls or is interested, its same old same old every year. you be the man, you be the europe connection, yeah its hard to do, and will take time.
quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: michael,, from my eyes you are the only one that actually cares for the sport enough to travel and spend a bunch of money on it.
so when i spend 10000$ i actually care for the sport and now i dont . dont think so . i dont think you understand the problem . wy arent no americans compeat at euros ?
quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: michael, you are our favorite euro, from my eyes you are the only one that actually cares for the sport enough to travel and spend a bunch of money on it.
Do YOU care enough, to make the trip to a WF hold in europe ? Would you spend $ 10K on going til World Finals if it was held in Europe ? Would you arrange the trip for 20 competitors as you suggested OKI should do ? Anyone can get in their car and drive 1000 miles, but as Oki said, it's not that easy to arrange a trip overseas. If it's so fu... easy, why dont you arrange the trip for OKI ?? He already asked for help, and offered to pay for trailering his car...
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Hi again, just for understanding. I am not angry with anybody. All I wat is to explain, that everything has two sides, and maybe people see just one side. Its easy to think about doing this and that. In theorie, I already walked on the moon, but in real life...
I start with planning everything exactly in January. A lot of promises were made to me. Nothing came true to that day, so that I am completely alone now. For months everything looked fine, but in last minute, "friends" and "partners" cancelled the help. Now I am asking other friends...
And I know all german competitors here. I dont have to change phone numbers or so. I still have everything. ITs not as big here. Also I have contact to some european competitors. But you cant organize everything for people out of your country. A lot of things, different taxes, rules, whatever are against that. This country allows this, that country that... Not easy. Only if the fins had organized a transport, I would ask if they would take me with them, but they cancelled their plans also. Finland is 2500 miles away, and 2 other countries are between, so this would be more trouble than start my trip from Germany here.
Please dont understand me wrong, I dont feel like a "favorite european" because I dont recognize any success. All I see is trouble and problems. Just when I speak to other people about me, I see, that I did something good, curious...
I see everything in dB Drag globally. Yes, it startet in ÜSA like a lot of funny and interesting things. And you dont know how much I like the american way of life, the country, the people and so on. But that is not a reason to agree with everything My problem is that I try to bring everything together. That costs me the most power. Would I just take care of me, I would have a much easier and cheaper life, believe me.
And I dont think that it is the amount of money what is important for what you ar anybody else did for the sport. 10 000 dollars are much for one, and not much for another guy. For me its an a$$ of money, and I sold some things from me to get that money for the trip. Last week I got a bad news for my financial situation of the future. (ANOTHER BAD NEWS). That money for this years trip can save me for over 2 years because of that new problem. For 2 seconds I thouht about cancelling the 2003 finals. 2 seconds later I knew, NO WAY ! I try til the last day. I will not throw away my work at the new car in the last months. The 32 competitions I did this season and the over 300 points. (looks that I am already points vice champion???) This year must come to an end in Nashville, not here. Maybe I must retire some years now. But I think I cant do that
Oh no, it starts to be a "Big Okis life" topic, I better stop. Please, if you see a way to help me, do it. I will pay expenses. If I can pay some small earnings, I cant promise. At Minimum somebody ust bring my car from Charleston to Nashville. Maybe I can store it there. Then after finals it must be back in Charleston. That are "just" two 600 miles trips for somebody with trailer. Maybe some miles more. All to do in 1 day each ride. Maybe 2 days. That cant be so difficult, when I must read here, that it is not difficult to bring 10 cars over the sea I already HAVE the sea transports... Just bring me from the port to the world finals...
U Haul will not rent me a trailer, because my car is not on their list, haha, not funny, but I must laugh. I cant buy a trailer because I am not an american. Rental cars have no Hitch. I just can rent a complete towing vehicle with trailer from U Haul. But still the problem with that list. And it will cost 2000 Dollars for just three rides. I still need another rental car then. And a Motel. Does anybody around Nashville, have a shelter for me? Or around Charleston, Ozark, Atlanta, or between? You see, one person involves the whole world. Is it my own problem when I want to come to "such" world finals ? Should I better stay at home, and spent that money for the "real important things in life"...
Say it : I am a fool
Üüüühh!!! Michael
PS.: Ok, for 90% for sure, my car will be at Charleston South Carolina Harbour between 13th and 16th of October. Anybody who wants to help has to come there Lets see how much cars with trailers appear, hehe... Communication will be difficult, I have no Cell phone. And I cant buy one. Somebody must loan me his, and I pay expenses. Another problem, and I still can bring more and more and..
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: michael, you are our favorite euro, from my eyes you are the only one that actually cares for the sport enough to travel and spend a bunch of money on it.
Do YOU care enough, to make the trip to a WF hold in europe ? Would you spend $ 10K on going til World Finals if it was held in Europe ? Would you arrange the trip for 20 competitors as you suggested OKI should do ? Anyone can get in their car and drive 1000 miles, but as Oki said, it's not that easy to arrange a trip overseas. If it's so fu... easy, why dont you arrange the trip for OKI ?? He already asked for help, and offered to pay for trailering his car...
i guarantee i can come up with 20 people to make the trip to europe if the world finals was held there, very true, alot of people would not go that have great scores, but, some would, alot more than 1, i guarantee that.
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I have a question? How many people attend the Euro finals. From what I hear alot of the top people over there dont even go. How many spectators go? How many competitors are actually across sea's.
I am not trying to sound like a ass. But DBdrag is so huge here that Tennessee is where the money is. All the main competitors go. From all over the usa, mexico, canada.. etc. Then we have all the spectators and people who didnt make it. We also have the vendors and other stuff. Not only would it be a hassle and big cost for Wayne, but think about the vendors who would say screw it and not spend the money to go across seas when there are other organizations that are closer to home.
Maybee one day we will have the .net finals where we use the same mics, and have video cameras ith live stream everywhere. But until then just quit bitchin about money and everything. If you want to come to finals good we invite you. If you dont then go to euro finals post bigger numbers and know you are the true champ.
quote: Maybee one day we will have the .net finals where we use the same mics, and have video cameras ith live stream everywhere. But until then just quit bitchin about money and everything. If you want to come to finals good we invite you. If you dont then go to euro finals post bigger numbers and know you are the true champ.
Woop there it is.
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: i just don't see the "fairness." i know it is difficult for you to come up with the money and time to come over here with your vehicles. but dbdrag is a traditional US thing, maybe we should next have the superbowl in russia? our sport, home field advantage.
I feel I need to comment on this ridiculous post. Dude, your nor I would ever spend that type money or go through the tremenduos hassle of shipping our pride and joy accross the ocean. Give some damn respect There are no NFL teams in Russia, there is dB Drag in Russia and other parts of the world. When Wayne branched out into these other countries that made it a worldwide sport. The only fair solution is Termlab.net with a 3X judge at each meter.
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