so, investigating cds is out, as well as requiring commercially available music.
if you can burn your own cd or use an mp3 player, who is to prove whether or not the track is commercial.
the only true way i know of to determine whether a song is legal or not is by watching the oscope and the frequency graph.
you can tell if a song is static or dynamic.
other than that, i think the judges need to keep the petty differances off the forum. you talk about loving the sport so much, but then you talk about how disorganized it is, and sit here attacking each other. take it someplace else.
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I believe this should be discussed by the judges in a private manner. Then, as Jay suggested, once organized they can present the clear rules to the masses.
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Someone needs to have the Ballz and step up and make a call! I mean competitors needs to know what they can use. It's easy make a list of acceptable cd's. If some one has a cd they want on the list send a copy to the judges let them test it then update the list!
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quote:Originally posted by Competition Audio: Someone needs to have the Ballz and step up and make a call! I mean competitors needs to know what they can use. It's easy make a list of acceptable cd's. If some one has a cd they want on the list send a copy to the judges let them test it then update the list!
I agree. Instead of acceptable cd, make an "official" list of CD's not allowed. But for some songs, you need a factual reason instead of an opinion.
I think the best way is to have Termlab detect a constant frequency being played. This would eliminate lists, opinions and bickering.
Whats cool about an SPL score, is it is what is is UNLIKE SQ where you get a person's opinion of what your sound system sounds like. We need to get rid of human intervention ( like giving an opinion whether something is illegal or not ) and let the software determin this.
So far out of all this ( 2 pages ) I've only seen 1 good answer, thats to look at the Oscope and Analyzer. Wasn't the reason behind the post?
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termalb should be able to make the call. not a persons opinion.
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I mean this is not SQ, in SPL we use the TL and I know you can see more with Oscope but I think we are talking about an SPL format then use the Tl to make the call. Then everyone live with the call.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Maxxsonics - John: I disagree Brad. I think a 3-5 second burp is boring enough for fans and a 30 second burp will be just as boring. Talk about seeing .9 every time in every class and ties that would go on forever.
I think the attractin of Bass Race over pure SPL is music and duration. In Bass Race, there are no sure winners as we see at every event. [/QB]
John,
I dont know if you watched bass race last year, but alot of the cars did sound like a constant tone, with a break now and then. Deathmatch has always been the most exciting part of finals,,and they use sinewaves.
It seems that maybe David has a vendetta against this "loud as hell" disc. I think the disc is great, and would be a great disc for newbies to use to get into competition, by identifying what frequency their car peaks at. It also has breaks in it, and sounds like music. Maybe Carlos should release "loud as hell 2", with the same exact tracks but without the announcement what frequency it is, and sell em as a two pack!
BTW, Steve is the Lenient Rogue!
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quote:Originally posted by Team Maxxsonics - John: I disagree Brad. I think a 3-5 second burp is boring enough for fans and a 30 second burp will be just as boring. Talk about seeing .9 every time in every class and ties that would go on forever.
I think the attractin of Bass Race over pure SPL is music and duration. In Bass Race, there are no sure winners as we see at every event.
John,
I dont know if you watched bass race last year, but alot of the cars did sound like a constant tone, with a break now and then. Deathmatch has always been the most exciting part of finals,,and they use sinewaves.
It seems that maybe David has a vendetta against this "loud as hell" disc. I think the disc is great, and would be a great disc for newbies to use to get into competition, by identifying what frequency their car peaks at. It also has breaks in it, and sounds like music. Maybe Carlos should release "loud as hell 2", with the same exact tracks but without the announcement what frequency it is, and sell em as a two pack!
BTW, Steve is the Lenient Rogue! [/QB]
Brad, please keep your opinions to yourself. No one wants to here anything you have to say. Now go weld something
This post is not about a particular CD ( seriously )
Alot more good comments from people. Thanks. It appears that we're starting to agree that Termlab needs to make any/all decisions regarding legality of song choice.
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As an oganization there are many issues/bugs that need to be worked out,HOWEVER I feel that this is still new to the masses cause not EVERONE knows there is a legal place to play.
TL is the only solution to the problem and there are other things in BassRace that have a few kinks in it hopefully as this new version of dbDrag grows so will the software to catch the kinks.
As of right now the competitors that know better aren't pushing the limit of the "MUSIC" that is being used. Those that are trying for a bang xx9.9 song good luck cause if I ain't found it it ain't there!
Magic Mike won't avg xx9.9 nor will rocket launches because of the many variables of BassRace.
Try a tone for 30 sec and see if you can keep it under WITHOUT adjusting the volume. I broke out with Magic Mike.
So just play anything that can be bought at a store and keep it simple.
TL FTW!!!!
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Here in the UK, its all fairly sane still, and bassrace is a LOT of fun, as it should be.
Someone borrowed a disk of mine, a bass disk, and hearing it from outside the car, I had to ask if it were just a tone or not. I could not believe a bass CD had a track with a pure tone, on MY CD...!!!. This CD is now not being used under a Gentlemans agreement.
So if the sport is supposed to be fun, and Bassrace is supposed to be about Music, if the car dosnt sound like its playing music from the outside, maybe the judges need to use their power, written into the first paragraph or so of the rules, firstly, anything that goes against the "intent" is out, and playing a tone in bassrace is against the "intent", and secondly, Head judges decision is it.
The best bassracer in the UK plays a song with a very noticeable beat. Yep, he cant be Beaten!!!
Anyway, just listen to the car. Yo have the same ears the croud has. If it sounds to you like a tone, it sounds the the croud like a tone, As stated previously, the crouds will get bored fairly quickly of a 30 second burp, like they do of a 2 second burp, it has to SOUND like music is being played, no matter what fancy hack goes into a track to fool the next version of TL.
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Wouldn't simply turning the volume down every 5 seconds or so, then turning it up higher to compensate, during a bassrace run skew what the o-scope and frequency analyzer read?
Afterall, it wouldn't be a CONSISTENT tone if you change the volume slightly.
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The oscope "should" show the variation in volume also the meter is averagaging (I believe) every 2 seconds. So unless you have huge power to play with you might not get back up or bust out.
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You know how many times this topic is been open???
I thinks since last year the Magic Mike song was put as ilegal so why use it or even bother? Also the "CD" was also set as ilegal. This came out from BOTH of the judges that started BASS RACE in the first place. So COMPETITORS why even try it or keep asking the same question as "But why" is wasting time and is set as ilegal regardless of how many times you keep coming back asking why.
No ofense to anyone but I think this topic is more personal between some judges and I think it should be done behind close doors and not in public.
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quote:Originally posted by Pipo: You know how many times this topic is been open???
I thinks since last year the Magic Mike song was put as ilegal so why use it or even bother? Also the "CD" was also set as ilegal. This came out from BOTH of the judges that started BASS RACE in the first place. So COMPETITORS why even try it or keep asking the same question as "But why" is wasting time and is set as ilegal regardless of how many times you keep coming back asking why.
No ofense to anyone but I think this topic is more personal between some judges and I think it should be done behind close doors and not in public.
Never know, but I still say he is trying to find a way to be doing this, so that competitors in his area can go more on the same page, to where if they go somewhere else and running into, this isnt legal, and not know what to play or anything when thats what they have been playing. I know I was asking lots of questions about everything kinda regarding all this to Steve @ the show I did my 1st bassrace run @, So instead of saying it's between judges maybe he is trying to get it more setup evenly across the board where it's not just one persons discretion to anothers. Thats why I stoped SQ one judge liked it, another one didn't, this one sorta did, this one sorta didn't, this is starting to become kinda same thing these ppl think this cd is ok these ppl don't think this cd is ok so instead of leaving it up to each person, have TL have something that specifies heya this note was played over X amount of time and it's not allowed...
So i do like the TL idea back to posistive posts and trying to get this figured out
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dbdrag was once a great hobby/sport. then everyone wanted something changed to suit them. now people whine and cry about everything. bassrace is the funnest thing ive done in years, but now judges egos are killing again, just like drag. why ban cds that have been available longer than dbdrag? i dont personally use either cd because i like mine. but im sure as soon as i beat someone there will be someone crying about my cd. its competition!!! deal with it or leave!!!!
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I receved this(loud as Hell) disk from a friend to check it out in my studio.....I watched the wavefile's when I uploaded them in to ProTools...... I dont see any thing wrong with this disk except tracks 2,3,4,5,6 and 11.
quote:Originally posted by charlesestes: dbdrag was once a great hobby/sport. then everyone wanted something changed to suit them. now people whine and cry about everything. bassrace is the funnest thing ive done in years, but now judges egos are killing again, just like drag. why ban cds that have been available longer than dbdrag? i dont personally use either cd because i like mine. but im sure as soon as i beat someone there will be someone crying about my cd. its competition!!! deal with it or leave!!!!
btw if any one wanted to know Im on CE on this one!!!!!
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why not keep the original format then have a 50 plus outlaw class one minute battle using any cd you want then we would see some action and see what some of these systems are really made of
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Hey G run track 6 on the first BassRace cd then Lil John track 8 on Kings of Crunk and post the results.
These 2 songs are the most used tracks in BassRace other than Bass Mekanik "Bass Mechanik"(I know spelling is off)
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