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i'm waiting for the day that all the hardcore competitors find out exactly where to unpause a song at what time in the run to max out each class....like scottie doing a 129.9 just off of engine noise or something and winning the 129 brackets....or like my truck cutting it down so it does a 139.9 constant...you guys know as well as i do a car that peaks out at 30 hz isn't gonna win vs a well tuned wall that plays the correct music to peak their install, even in bass race this is true.
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i perfer the way a local organization around here does there classes.. say you have 2 15s.. you go up against another with the same setup and whosever louder will take it. its pretty basic but like what was said earlier, it will even things up a lilbit.. however, i do love the skill involved with keeping your score in a certain bracket. maybe we can get bassrace broken down into a few different classes since this is going to be the future of our wonderful sport
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quote:Originally posted by TeamSubGoPoof: i'm waiting for the day that all the hardcore competitors find out exactly where to unpause a song at what time in the run to max out each class....like scottie doing a 129.9 just off of engine noise or something and winning the 129 brackets....or like my truck cutting it down so it does a 139.9 constant...you guys know as well as i do a car that peaks out at 30 hz isn't gonna win vs a well tuned wall that plays the correct music to peak their install, even in bass race this is true.
That still has no relevance to the current rules.
You qualify to wherever you can best control your system. If you want to turn down your 165db system to play in the 129.9 class and nail a 129.9 then go for it, you still have no advantage over the guy with two 10" subs that also does a 129.9.
quote:Originally posted by TeamSubGoPoof: i'm waiting for the day that all the hardcore competitors find out exactly where to unpause a song at what time in the run to max out each class....like scottie doing a 129.9 just off of engine noise or something and winning the 129 brackets....or like my truck cutting it down so it does a 139.9 constant...you guys know as well as i do a car that peaks out at 30 hz isn't gonna win vs a well tuned wall that plays the correct music to peak their install, even in bass race this is true.
That still has no relevance to the current rules.
You qualify to wherever you can best control your system. If you want to turn down your 165db system to play in the 129.9 class and nail a 129.9 then go for it, you still have no advantage over the guy with two 10" subs that also does a 129.9.
i was just agreeing with doms ideas, Bass Race was started for people that play music...big competitors are going to figure out how to win the class and then you don't have a entry class anymore...nothing more...nothing less....
you sure do seem to come off as an ass on alot of my posts
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Van vs Van playing music, how is that unfair? It still comes down to who can control it to stay in their bracket.
It seems alot of people who've never experienced bass race events don't understand the concept.
You qualify to your system's capabilities; there is no advantage or a way to "cheat" in bass race. A van with door speakers would still have to beat another van with door speakers.
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I have thought about coming out to compete in Bass Race myself simply due to the simplicity. Keep it simple and it will keep drawing new competitors.
Also the windows down idea is very bad. Think about noise ordinance laws. Even if it at a show, someone can call and have you citied, or have the show shut down.
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quote:Originally posted by KickinAudio: Van vs Van playing music, how is that unfair? It still comes down to who can control it to stay in their bracket.
It seems alot of people who've never experienced bass race events don't understand the concept.
You qualify to your system's capabilities; there is no advantage or a way to "cheat" in bass race. A van with door speakers would still have to beat another van with door speakers.
i competed in bass race at nopi 2 years ago, with 8 10s and a 2000d i did a 45 and change....i like bass race.....i'm just saying one day big vans are going to start testing for bass race, and when they dial in its not gonna be fun for everyone with daily beaters...
i mean dude i LOVE daily beaters i had 12 10s in my truck before and now i have 2 15s in my bravada both loud dailys (150+ at 40 hz) which is what bass race is for i LOVE IT....
HOWEVER would i love it if i got stomped by Scotties van in the 139.9 class EVERY time
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A seasoned veteran with a perfectly tuned wall in the 50 hz+ range and a perfect song to match his enclosure has no more of an advantage in the class than the local guy that rolled up with his 30 hz enclosure, two 12's beating his Lil John or Mike Jones.
Bass race was never introduced as an entry level class in the first place. It was a class designed to put more emphasis on what started this whole sport....beating the $hit out of your system.
I think the classes right now are perfect. As bass race expands, maybe they could add a duplicate set of classes with different rules, but for the immediate future what we have for rules and classes is perfect.
We have several ties down here in bass race, and the locals absolutely love it. They know that it doesn't matter if a "dB Dragger" is going against them, the only thing seperating who wins or loses....is the volume knob
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control control control control control control
it doesnt matter how big the seasoned vet is. it doesnt matter how perfect thier song is. it doesnt matter how loud they can be. it doesnt matter if they can sandbag to stay in a lower class.
CONTROL means everything.
its NOT easy toget a perfect 1x9.9 score EVERYTIME.
there is no advantage. EVERYONE has just as much chance as the next guy, because its ALL about control.
bob perillo and scotty can be beaten by the 15 year old kid borrowing his dads car with walmart subs, if they try to sandbag and stay in a lower class, and he controls his system better than they do. or they break out of thier bracket.
its all about control.
the ONLY advantage, is knowing yoru system, and constant practice. and even then, you still have a host of things to go wrong and cause you to not get the score you are trying for.
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quote:Originally posted by shaven99ranger: Bass race was never introduced as an entry level class in the first place. It was a class designed to put more emphasis on what started this whole sport....beating the $hit out of your system.
Agree 100%!
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My point exactly... Its a bad idea for you. Because your system have very little bandwidth. Which most call a horrible sounding street system.
quote:Originally posted by Neill Barber: We get the point but my truck would never do that. I run 36db per octave at 50 and down to keep it clean. So this is a bad idea.
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You have never heard my truck then it wouldnt play over 32hz.
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I think that my daily driver sounds pretty good for whats in it but I have about a 16db cabin/box gain between 30 and 47 compared to 30hz and 60 hz.
It does get brutal on Black Eyed Peas tho!
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"I bet you when I get my meter back I will unpause my stsyem and walk away and do the same score over and over and over."
i bet you you wont
i know you wont, because it is extremely improbable that you will be able to unpause your system at the EXACT SAME MILLISECOND. you would have to have the exact same reaction time in all of ur runs to do what you think ur system could do, which, if u go do some bass racing, would realize NEVER HAPPENS.
yeah u can start it and get CLOSE to the same score each time when u "walk away", but close dont cut it pal.
i think u need to clarify what you mean when u think u will do the same score over and over
there is no way you will get the same score twice WITHOUT USING THE VOLUME KNOB.
AND A NEW BASS RACE RULE IS NOW IN EFFECT, NO MORE B1TCH1NG ABOUT THE BASS RACE RULES.
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Keep Bass Race simple. At this point Bass Race = growth for the entire DBDRA. I think that restrictions and changes to the current rules would only deter current and prospected competitors. If a time comes when Bass Race participation begins to fall off, I would understand making changes to encourage growth and interest again. But if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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