quote:Originally posted by poundinfirebird: i do not agree with the tie breaker ruling, not at all.
its a good idea in a way, but in another way it is not.
example....
say im my vehicle does a 144 at 35hz and use a song that will allow me to do 139 class... then i use a random song that plays in the upper 50 hz range and now im only able to bass race a 137 full out.
the idea is there to make it more of a challenge to control your stereo, but i dont think its going to work out so well...
also in previous bass race disc's there was not a good selection of songs. I think everyone will agree with me
i really do not know why this rule was put into place, its not like ties have went to 10 rounds
just my 2 cents
worst idea ever thank you wayne you helped make up my mind im not gonna spend the few thousand i would have to make it to fianals this year
no points chase for me
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quote:Originally posted by Nightshade: Allthough it's not the greatest rule change ever(I would have prefered that the rules stay the same) it is better than having to use the official cd at all multipoint events. Even though it's going to happen at quite a few multi point shows anyway. I guess the only thing we can do is sit back and say good bye to the 149.9 and 159.9 classes cause I think that quite a few of those competitors aren't going to risk thousands upon thousands of dollars of equiptment just to win a run in bassrace. Maybe Wayne will surprise us and eliminate this rule all together.
I dont think the classes will go away, I think the competitors will have to make a decision when faced with a 4th tie breaker, The possible cost of a set of recones or holding back and possibly losing the round.
Honestly I would not want to win or lose a round because a random song was better suited for one competitors system than the others.
A better idea would have been to let each competitor chose what song they would use from from the official bass race disk in the case of a 4th tie.
I plan to to return to 149.9 class this year and anticipate alot of strong competition. IMHO when involded in a competition format of any kind nothing should be random. The determining factor should be skill, not luck of the draw, not roll of dice, and not a random choice of competition material.
It seems that rule changes are implemented to even the playing field and give the newcomer a chance to win at his first show. That is all fine and dandy, but it comes at the expense of established competitors that have put the time and money into a build to compete at a certain level.
If I want luck of the draw or chance win or lose by the roll of the dice I will go to a casino and at least have a chance of a return of my investment.
the rule needs to be eliminated in the 149 and 159 classes no noob competes there you may get new people in those classes but they either came from another org or have been around for a wile and just havnt competed
How many ties have you seen in the 49.9 and 59.9?
thats EXACTLY what i thought too. either way tie #4 is rare for 49.9 and 59.9 class. the rule will suck for 29.9 and 39.9 class though because there seems to be alot more ties. i would love to tie 4 times in 59.9 just to see what other 59.9 ppl are capable of.
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I've seen 3 ties in the 149.9 class before but never in the 159.9 class. It is okay with me cause my system plays pretty flat from 35-55hz. I'm not super loud at 35hz but can easily do a 139.9 at that frequency cause I'm burping such a high number. I was thinking about going into 149.9 this year but may not with this rule in effect. You will see more ties in each class this year then ever before cause there are more capable people in each class then ever before.
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guess that means if u are in the lower classes you need to have the bassrace cd and try every song out and see whats best for you on each song.
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So your saying my input doesn't matter because I am most likely not competing this season? If I remember correctly, I was at World Finals last season, where were you? If I can't have an input because I doubt I am competing this season, then why should you have one if you didn't compete at Finals last season?
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quote:Originally posted by David McLean: So it looks like it would be acceptable for one guy to operate everyone's stereo at an event, as long as the owner of the car is there.
I personally believe everyone should operate there own stereo.
I will fix that. Thanks for the heads up.
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quote:Originally posted by Nightshade: I've seen 3 ties in the 149.9 class before but never in the 159.9 class. It is okay with me cause my system plays pretty flat from 35-55hz. I'm not super loud at 35hz but can easily do a 139.9 at that frequency cause I'm burping such a high number. I was thinking about going into 149.9 this year but may not with this rule in effect. You will see more ties in each class this year then ever before cause there are more capable people in each class then ever before.
Ive only seen one tie in the 59.9 class ever before,granted it was only around a 53-54
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quote:Originally posted by Nightshade: Allthough it's not the greatest rule change ever(I would have prefered that the rules stay the same) it is better than having to use the official cd at all multipoint events. Even though it's going to happen at quite a few multi point shows anyway. I guess the only thing we can do is sit back and say good bye to the 149.9 and 159.9 classes cause I think that quite a few of those competitors aren't going to risk thousands upon thousands of dollars of equiptment just to win a run in bassrace. Maybe Wayne will surprise us and eliminate this rule all together.
I dont think the classes will go away, I think the competitors will have to make a decision when faced with a 4th tie breaker, The possible cost of a set of recones or holding back and possibly losing the round.
Honestly I would not want to win or lose a round because a random song was better suited for one competitors system than the others.
A better idea would have been to let each competitor chose what song they would use from from the official bass race disk in the case of a 4th tie.
I plan to to return to 149.9 class this year and anticipate alot of strong competition. IMHO when involded in a competition format of any kind nothing should be random. The determining factor should be skill, not luck of the draw, not roll of dice, and not a random choice of competition material.
It seems that rule changes are implemented to even the playing field and give the newcomer a chance to win at his first show. That is all fine and dandy, but it comes at the expense of established competitors that have put the time and money into a build to compete at a certain level.
If I want luck of the draw or chance win or lose by the roll of the dice I will go to a casino and at least have a chance of a return of my investment.
the rule needs to be eliminated in the 149 and 159 classes no noob competes there you may get new people in those classes but they either came from another org or have been around for a wile and just havnt competed
How many ties have you seen in the 49.9 and 59.9?
thats EXACTLY what i thought too. either way tie #4 is rare for 49.9 and 59.9 class. the rule will suck for 29.9 and 39.9 class though because there seems to be alot more ties. i would love to tie 4 times in 59.9 just to see what other 59.9 ppl are capable of.
The number of 4th place ties is irrelevant in any class. The fact that a 4th tie will most likely take place at an event where the outcome will have some significance lets say the world finals is the point I am making.
What should be the determining factor of who wins the round? A random song that works better for one competitor and not the other. Or the more skilled of the two contestants.
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quote:Originally posted by Nightshade: Allthough it's not the greatest rule change ever(I would have prefered that the rules stay the same) it is better than having to use the official cd at all multipoint events. Even though it's going to happen at quite a few multi point shows anyway. I guess the only thing we can do is sit back and say good bye to the 149.9 and 159.9 classes cause I think that quite a few of those competitors aren't going to risk thousands upon thousands of dollars of equiptment just to win a run in bassrace. Maybe Wayne will surprise us and eliminate this rule all together.
I dont think the classes will go away, I think the competitors will have to make a decision when faced with a 4th tie breaker, The possible cost of a set of recones or holding back and possibly losing the round.
Honestly I would not want to win or lose a round because a random song was better suited for one competitors system than the others.
A better idea would have been to let each competitor chose what song they would use from from the official bass race disk in the case of a 4th tie.
I plan to to return to 149.9 class this year and anticipate alot of strong competition. IMHO when involded in a competition format of any kind nothing should be random. The determining factor should be skill, not luck of the draw, not roll of dice, and not a random choice of competition material.
It seems that rule changes are implemented to even the playing field and give the newcomer a chance to win at his first show. That is all fine and dandy, but it comes at the expense of established competitors that have put the time and money into a build to compete at a certain level.
If I want luck of the draw or chance win or lose by the roll of the dice I will go to a casino and at least have a chance of a return of my investment.
the rule needs to be eliminated in the 149 and 159 classes no noob competes there you may get new people in those classes but they either came from another org or have been around for a wile and just havnt competed
How many ties have you seen in the 49.9 and 59.9?
thats EXACTLY what i thought too. either way tie #4 is rare for 49.9 and 59.9 class. the rule will suck for 29.9 and 39.9 class though because there seems to be alot more ties. i would love to tie 4 times in 59.9 just to see what other 59.9 ppl are capable of.
The number of 4th place ties is irrelevant in any class. The fact that a 4th tie will most likely take place at an event where the outcome will have some significance lets say the world finals is the point I am making.
What should be the determining factor of who wins the round? A random song that works better for one competitor and not the other. Or the more skilled of the two contestants.
the one with more skill should have the upperhand I could see the 4th tie that the song for the round would have to be selected by the compedator off of the bass race disc but to make someone play some random song is unreal especialy if they have never tested with it because they know by analizing it that it wont work for them
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I think we should do the dice role that way you can still use the same song but might have to hit a 135.2 instead of 139.9. But you guys know my thoughts on this already. That would truly show who knows their system best and who could control their system best. later Doug
quote:To accrue points, a competitor must have a current Bass Race membership and must compete at officially sanctioned Bass Race events.
The way this reads you must have a membership before you get any points. If you compete at a show the points don't count if you buy a membership after.
This either needs to be changed or enforced. Right now if you followed this you would never be able to get points for finals if you got memberships at cut-off date
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If that's the case Mike I don't see a ton of people rushing out to buy memberships just so they can aqcuire points. I would think that people don't want to commit to a membership and have stuff come up to where they can't compete any longer. I know it's only $50, but these are hard times and every dollar counts.
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So your saying my input doesn't matter because I am most likely not competing this season? If I remember correctly, I was at World Finals last season, where were you? If I can't have an input because I doubt I am competing this season, then why should you have one if you didn't compete at Finals last season?
I'm not the one bitching here about points...I was going to finals is not my fault the locations change and the expenses went up 8 times more than my budget sir.
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quote:To accrue points, a competitor must have a current Bass Race membership and must compete at officially sanctioned Bass Race events.
The way this reads you must have a membership before you get any points. If you compete at a show the points don't count if you buy a membership after.
This either needs to be changed or enforced. Right now if you followed this you would never be able to get points for finals if you got memberships at cut-off date
That is a mistake. It must also be a mistake in the dB Drag Racing rules. I will fix it.
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quote:To accrue points, a competitor must have a current Bass Race membership and must compete at officially sanctioned Bass Race events.
The way this reads you must have a membership before you get any points. If you compete at a show the points don't count if you buy a membership after.
This either needs to be changed or enforced. Right now if you followed this you would never be able to get points for finals if you got memberships at cut-off date
That is a mistake. It must also be a mistake in the dB Drag Racing rules. I will fix it.
Thank You. It is something I have been pointing out for 4 years!
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So your saying my input doesn't matter because I am most likely not competing this season? If I remember correctly, I was at World Finals last season, where were you? If I can't have an input because I doubt I am competing this season, then why should you have one if you didn't compete at Finals last season?
I'm not the one bitching here about points...I was going to finals is not my fault the locations change and the expenses went up 8 times more than my budget sir.
If I were to "bitch" about points chasing you would know I was doing so. I was voicing my opinion. But this isn't the time nor the place
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quote:Originally posted by Scubaguy: I think we should do the dice role that way you can still use the same song but might have to hit a 135.2 instead of 139.9. But you guys know my thoughts on this already. That would truly show who knows their system best and who could control their system best. later Doug
I agree with you here Doug. I also think that the dice roll would be better after the third tie. I've liked the idea from the start and can't see why Wayne won't give it a try. He said that he was thinking it over. I don't know where he came up with the idea of using the official cd at other than to make more money by selling more cd's.
Wayne, did you ever think of how those of us that use mp3 players and flash drives are going to play the official bassrace cd after 3 ties. Not to mention if we'll even have that music on our devices. There are some of us that can't play our cd players in our dashes cause they skip so bad on loud music. Some of us have to use external devices to make bassrace work for us. I don't think that you thought it all the way through.
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quote:Originally posted by Nightshade: I've seen 3 ties in the 149.9 class before but never in the 159.9 class. It is okay with me cause my system plays pretty flat from 35-55hz. I'm not super loud at 35hz but can easily do a 139.9 at that frequency cause I'm burping such a high number. I was thinking about going into 149.9 this year but may not with this rule in effect. You will see more ties in each class this year then ever before cause there are more capable people in each class then ever before.
Ive only seen one tie in the 59.9 class ever before,granted it was only around a 53-54
Step Harris and Frankie Rio tied three times at a Tampa show last year. I believe it was a 156 something.
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Something I noticed in section 5-1, it states that there are 2X and 3X Bass Race events. Are there really going to be 3X Bass Race events this year or was that a typo?
quote:Originally posted by Scubaguy: I think we should do the dice role that way you can still use the same song but might have to hit a 135.2 instead of 139.9. But you guys know my thoughts on this already. That would truly show who knows their system best and who could control their system best. later Doug
I agree with you here Doug. I also think that the dice roll would be better after the third tie. I've liked the idea from the start and can't see why Wayne won't give it a try. He said that he was thinking it over. I don't know where he came up with the idea of using the official cd at other than to make more money by selling more cd's.
Wayne, did you ever think of how those of us that use mp3 players and flash drives are going to play the official bassrace cd after 3 ties. Not to mention if we'll even have that music on our devices. There are some of us that can't play our cd players in our dashes cause they skip so bad on loud music. Some of us have to use external devices to make bassrace work for us. I don't think that you thought it all the way through.
exactly, what about the people using this h/u also? I was about to buy it until this rule.
quote:Originally posted by Nightshade: Allthough it's not the greatest rule change ever(I would have prefered that the rules stay the same) it is better than having to use the official cd at all multipoint events. Even though it's going to happen at quite a few multi point shows anyway. I guess the only thing we can do is sit back and say good bye to the 149.9 and 159.9 classes cause I think that quite a few of those competitors aren't going to risk thousands upon thousands of dollars of equiptment just to win a run in bassrace. Maybe Wayne will surprise us and eliminate this rule all together.
I dont think the classes will go away, I think the competitors will have to make a decision when faced with a 4th tie breaker, The possible cost of a set of recones or holding back and possibly losing the round.
Honestly I would not want to win or lose a round because a random song was better suited for one competitors system than the others.
A better idea would have been to let each competitor chose what song they would use from from the official bass race disk in the case of a 4th tie.
I plan to to return to 149.9 class this year and anticipate alot of strong competition. IMHO when involded in a competition format of any kind nothing should be random. The determining factor should be skill, not luck of the draw, not roll of dice, and not a random choice of competition material.
It seems that rule changes are implemented to even the playing field and give the newcomer a chance to win at his first show. That is all fine and dandy, but it comes at the expense of established competitors that have put the time and money into a build to compete at a certain level.
If I want luck of the draw or chance win or lose by the roll of the dice I will go to a casino and at least have a chance of a return of my investment.
the rule needs to be eliminated in the 149 and 159 classes no noob competes there you may get new people in those classes but they either came from another org or have been around for a wile and just havnt competed
How many ties have you seen in the 49.9 and 59.9?
thats EXACTLY what i thought too. either way tie #4 is rare for 49.9 and 59.9 class. the rule will suck for 29.9 and 39.9 class though because there seems to be alot more ties. i would love to tie 4 times in 59.9 just to see what other 59.9 ppl are capable of.
Im with every one on this one.... It makes me wonder if I want to even go to finals.... I mean I work hard on my truck... If I loose I want to lose because some one was better than me on that day.. not just because he a had a car that will do 55 all out and is playing in the 39.9 class so when the tie breaker comes along he has way more head room the the rest of the class. Wane you might want to re-think the tie breakers.
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Fourth Tie-Breaker - Re-run the round using a song that is randomly selected from the Bass Race competition CD. (A die may be used to determine which track will be used.)
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The ONLY way the 4th Tie Breaker rule will work is IF the tracks on the cd ard of CONSTANT BASS. Which would mean that the tracks will HAVE to be MUCH better than on previous cds. On the cds that are out now only 4 are worth anything for competition and only some are in the range for 1/2 and some for the other 1/2.
Good "in theory" idea but without a "PROMISE" of better Bass Race compatible songs On the "Official Bass Race CD" the idea should remain a theory.
There was a post about the "usuable" tracks off each years cd and not many were even close to what many can use.
So unless this is : "7-1 Music - Find a song that contains a minimum of 30 seconds of bass. Each sound system is different so don’t hesitate to experiment to find the song that works best for you. " used to come up with the music the 4th tie breaker is not a good idea per section 7-1 and 7-3.
Just my .02
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