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BigJim
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i've been told that jl w3's shouldn't be put in ported boxes and that they perform best in a sealed box. i'm going with 3 10w3's in a custom box and i want to know if i will get louder (but still clean) sound from a ported box with 3 w3's as opposed to a sealed box with the same subs.

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DrHertz
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The only subs I've seen NOT perform better in a ported box over a sealed were ADS RS series subs, can't port them to save your life.

Like Dukk says, not porting your box is like throwing away output.

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Dukk
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There is very little that you get free in car audio - and porting grabs most of it!

I have yet to do ANY box designs where a W3 works better sealed than ported... Manny is a ported guy at heart!

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Blow your mind - PORT your box!

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Slick
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Hey Dukk, been meaning to ask you about this, seems like a good place. I know you love ported boxes. Just out of curiousity, what would you do if someone had there heart set on a sub that just wasn't designed to be in a ported box, say a solobaric, or an alumapro alchemy? I mean do you still try to port them,have you had any luck at doing this? Or do you just seal them? Just curious, I've been a big sealed fan for a long time, but I've heard a few ported enclosures as of late that I really enjoyed.

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Dukk
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Dunno about the Alchemy, but that Solo I ported rocked hard!

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Blow your mind - PORT your box!

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Slick
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Wow, ported solo, you are the "port man". I many have to check with you before I start designing on my girlfriends car, her system is kinda my "experimental" vehicle to try out stuff I would like to try in my own eventually.

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port=spl and selaed= sq

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My current system
2 Shocker 15's with 500 each
ZR120 for mids and highs.

The rest of the future system
Pioneer DEH-6200
Clifford Phenix alarm

I'm looking to buy 2 500 watt amps!


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DrHertz
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quote:
Originally posted by low_rider:
port=spl and selaed= sq


The biggest myth of them all.
there is nothing that a sealed box can do that a ported box cannot. Nothing.

I'd like everyone of you to experience our sub shack, I know it's not possible, but I would. I have 8 12" RFZ rockfords in there ported and the response is +- .5dB from 28hz-80hz. after we had this room built it was the final nail in the coffin with us for sealed boxes. I doubt anymore will ever leave this shop. SO PORT IT OR ELSE.
hehe

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Dukk
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My sentiments exactly. I never promote a sealed enclosure for anything. THe only ones we build I don't sell..

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Blow your mind - PORT your box!

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any sub that you can seal can definitely work in a 5th order band pass. which gives you the added output if you design for narrow pass band and peak gain. you can still have a band pass with average gain of 3dB above reference efficiency, and still retain optimum sound quality. CAD can always help to find your optimum minimum vent size and you will be totally satisfied. "Either Port Yours, Or Get Blown Away By Those That Will Port Their's"
Best Regards, Steve

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Dukk
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Hey dude - why do you suggest a passive xover in that bandpass?

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Blow your mind - PORT your box!

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Dr.Hertz, there is one thing, and as far as I know this is the only thing a sealed enclosure can do that a ported one can not, and that is fit in a small space. With many pickups in my area, for years the only enclosure you would see was sealed. The installers (one mainly) would only due sealed largely due to their simplicity, but also out of ignorance. I'm the only one I know of in my area doing ported enclosures, and many of my enclosures KILL!!

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Dukk
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I used to run into that. Then we got a pair of truck boxes in the store: a pair of 10s sealed, and a single 10 ABC. Guess which one we sold a whole lot more of....
Sometimes you just gotta prove it!

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Blow your mind - PORT your box!

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oly_pariah
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5th order? Uhh?

4th=one sealed chamber, one ported

6th=both chambers ported

5th=?

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winslow
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The 5th is the same as the 4th but with a passive crossover. A 7th is the same as a 6th, but, you guessed it- a passive crossover.

Hey Dukk, could you email me some specs on the ABC truck box? I am trying to convince some people to build an ABC box.

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DrHertz
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Smaller?? hmm, Punch DVC 12" 1.3 cubic foot ported. Back half of a Power 400a4 2 ohm mono, 139.9 in the trunk of a saturn.

that's really small for that driver (some would say perfect for sealed)

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BigJim
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so for a jl 10w3 how big should i make the sections in the box? right now i have 2 10w3's in a sealed with about a cube each. how much bigger do i need to go when porting?

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