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I'm a member of KCG (Kicker Competition Group). I'll tell you right off the top that for extreme SPL, Solo's probably aren't going to net you a big number. Currently, nothing Kicker is making is intended for EXTREME SPL. It takes a woofer with extreme peak to peak throw and silly power handling. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with the results of a setup with less woofers and more power. If the car is going to be setup for street beats and will hit at an impressive note, there is no reason why the Kicker products won't do you just fine. Sure, you can build a truck that does 165dB at 60-80 Hz.......wow, who can't these days. If you're looking to build something as a demo vehicle to show off what can be done in the autosound arena, then build something that performs at a lower note. Build something that makes you happy and performs on a day to day basis, not a one note wonder.
If you want anymore further in depth numbers as far as specs and what not on Kicker drivers, let me know in an email. I'd be glad to help you out.
Email is Speednsnd@aol.com
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Posts: 65 | From: Tulsa, OK | Registered: Nov 1999
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KickerXPL, When comparing low power woofers with light cones (Impulse)to higher power woofers with heavy cones (like solobaric) it's been proven that the lighter (and more effecient) cones can produce more output at low to medium power levels (100 to 400 watts). Only when you exceed the power handling limits of the cheaper driver (around 500 or more watts) does the more expensive driver begin to take the lead in output. Around here there are guys who run JL W1 subs of a single medium sized amp and beat the guys who use the same amp, but with W6 subs. The poor guy who spent all that extra money on his 'high-dollar' sub can't understand why. The fact is that when a company has a woofer with a high-mass cone designed for small, sealed boxes, that woofer WILL require more power to move the heavier cone. Sure, that sub will play LOWER in a given box than a light cone speaker, but a low power levels it won't be as loud. And as far as power handling goes, most companies give their speakers a rating based on everyday use for extended periods. When playing a single note burp inside a sealed vehicle most speakers can briefly handle 2 to 3 times their rated power! The JL 12W4 subs I used last year were rated to handle 200 watts, but I've tested them at 800 watts WITHOUT FAILURE! It all depends on the application.
Steve (K.O.B.) Cotton
Posts: 219 | From: Monroe,NC USA | Registered: May 1999
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ok lets say i stay with the setup in the original post. what kinda spl do you think that would give me??? what about devastator's idea about running 3-d200's on the 12-10's, what kinda spl would i look for with that??? that would be 400+ on each sub could the solos handle it for everyday listening????
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2 Mmats D100HC amps on 12 tens (loud tens, not solobaric tens) in a well constructed sealed enclosure in a truck with no cab modifications will get you around 152 to 153 on Term-Lab, 149 to 150 on LinearX. This is just a ballpark guess, using my old truck as a reference starting point.
Steve
Posts: 219 | From: Monroe,NC USA | Registered: May 1999
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I do not mean to offend anybody by the following statements. They are merely to clear up a few things that I disagree with.
1.) SPL 1 watt 1 meter is about as important to total output as who won last nights football game!
2.) A heavier cone doesn't mean less output with less power! I am not saying that there isn't what seems to be an example of that out there. It simply isn't the case. There are soooo many factors that looking at just one and singling it out won't give you the same results every time.
3.) power is important but it isn't all that! How many times have you heard of someone who doubled their power and either didn't gain anything or just gained a couple tenths? - This is because of SEVERAL factors, not enough voltage! Drivers going into compression! Not enough signal on the input! Phasing problems between amps! etc. I guess what I am saying is that doubling power doesn't ALWAYS (almost never) gain 3 dB and therefore 50% more probibly won't gain 1.5 dB!
I know these things because of all the testing and comparisons I have done. I DO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU USE THE EXACT SAME WOOFER WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A LIGHT CONE VRS A VERY HEAVY ONE!!!
Again, this is from years of testing, not just an open opinion! TermLab doesn't lie!
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well i think i have deciced to go with 8-10's and 2-d200hc. i rode around in my truck yesterday w/my knees in the dash and i really got cramped. so i decided to run 8-10's. i'm gonna run them sealed(i'm still not sure about porting solos). SHOCK could you run two solos in one chamber ported?? what kinda db diference is btw sealed and ported??? i don't have bassbox but i'm trying to get it.
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