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Originally posted by Nightshade:
Your saying 1400 watts now, but when I talked to you on the phone not too long ago you said it was around 2000 when you did the 150.3 in the crx. And your trying to say that by adding 1000 watts you gain 2 db? If so then that's great but I still have a hard time to believe it. Please explain how your 1 amp is at .5 ohms in your crx. I thought that you were running 2 dual 1 ohm subs in there and it's pretty much impossible to get a .5 ohm load out of 2 dual 1's unless your only running one coil on each woofer.

Lastly I don't need to show sh!t when I have no competition in my class. Why let people see what it's capable of so they know what number to build for. If I let them have a little bit at a time and don't let them see that actual full potential of it then maybe they'll assume that I'm not as loud as I am like your doing right now. The strategy works then as I just proved it with you. Do you think a 154 in car 1801-3600 is possible, I do. I also wanted to let you know there are no hard feelings at all and it is in the spirit of competition, but you know me Walt I go all out when it comes to a reply. I would love to see you in car 1801-3600, and it may push me to buy a strictly spl car to compete with to show everyone what Team High X-Cursion can really do with a car that is know for spl.

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Zach, to clarify. I run dual 2's (Didn't even know Jacob offered dual 1's?). If you run them parallel to one amp, you will have a .5 ohm load.
With a 1500 my wife got 1400 watts and did a 150.4. With a 3000 she got 2400 watts and a 152.?
and a 154.6 hardcore.
No way could I ever see 2000 watts out of a single 1500 and still play music daily at full tilt. Maybe at a crazy low impedance and just for a burp like some people do?
If you would come to a show sometime you would know this. Here are the results from the show in Sumter just to show you:

Amateur 0 - 500
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1. 150.4 Miss Cookie
2. 138.9 Allen Gill

Amateur Hardcore
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1. 158.5 Cookie Monster
2. 156.6 Robert Haddock
3. 154.6 Miss Cookie
4. 153.8 Duane Arnold

By the way, my wife is Miss cookie.
So, yes she gained 2 db with 1000 watts!

I am not assuming anything about your #'s. It does make me wonder though when you make a post on Termpro asking others for their opinion because you can't get your #'s at a show?
And no, you don't have to show me anything. But, you cannot gripe about what I "say" I can do either until to show me what you "say" you can do, correct?

Maybe by Finals I will be done with my goals and will be able to play in the car classes. Until then, we will have to settle for some Bass Racing. That is if you get by Derrick first.
Just kidding man, was that to far?

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Originally posted by clkwrkorg36:
if it takes 1400 to do 150.3 then 1000 more would definitely be 2db, if not more.

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Thank you Ryan

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2007 2nd overall in US points and 9th overall in World
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Originally posted by banginAltima:

After reading this thread I can't help but think what a joke!

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Message subject: Team
From: banginAltima
Sent at: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:27 pm
To: Mr.Sears 153+ Trunk

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I had thought about asking to join your team before. But now that Zach is on the team I don't think it would work. Also, i think DJ may have an issue with it. Plus the distance that we live apart would be an issue.

While I am no where near is loud as you were, I think I am loud with the equipment I have.

I would like to meet you some time and get your advise.I plan on hitting a lot of NSPL shows. I was looking the other day and I think I would kick ass in either 0-1800 or 1800-3600. The numbers those guys are putting up in those classes are not that great.
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TEAM DD
2009 SS-NW AND STREET C(THEY'RE HERE)
2008 TRUNK MODIFIED WORLD RECORD HOLDER (153)12v certified legal TL
2008 2007 PRO TRUNK WORLD FINALS (150.9<150.2)12v
2006 PRO TRUNK 1x WORLD RECORD HOLDER(151.2)12v
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Originally posted by clkwrkorg36:
2 X power = 3db gain until the sub or car start reaching compression. at least that's what it's always been for me, and most others i've talked to.

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Yeah Ryan,on paper a 3db gain is very factual,but I have never seen,and exact 3db gain,in any vechicle I have tested,with 2x the power.But like you said,at least that's what it has always been for me also.Ryan,just like I remember you doing a 159.6,with one z2 old version,technically,based off my test figures,adding another one should have netted a 162,doubling that to 4 amps,would of netted a 164.4,and doubling that again to 8 amps should of netted a 166.8,and that year you won finals with a 166.7.Based off the on paper double the power = 3db,your score would have been a 168.6.So that why I always count 2.4=2 x the power to account for compression.

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2008 2007 PRO TRUNK WORLD FINALS (150.9<150.2)12v
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After reading this thread I can't help but think what a joke!

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Message subject: Team
From: banginAltima
Sent at: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:27 pm
To: Mr.Sears 153+ Trunk

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I had thought about asking to join your team before. But now that Zach is on the team I don't think it would work. Also, i think DJ may have an issue with it. Plus the distance that we live apart would be an issue.

While I am no where near is loud as you were, I think I am loud with the equipment I have.

I would like to meet you some time and get your advise.I plan on hitting a lot of NSPL shows. I was looking the other day and I think I would kick ass in either 0-1800 or 1800-3600. The numbers those guys are putting up in those classes are not that great.
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1990 Honda CRX
2009 Iasca SBN Stock Pro 1 Champion
1989 Honda Civic Hatchback
2008 Iasca Adv. No Wall 1 North American Champion
2007 Db Drag 1st SM 3-4 and 4th Bass Race Florida Regionals
2007 2nd overall in US points and 9th overall in World
2007 Competion Only Pro and Hardcore Points Champion
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Originally posted by clkwrkorg36:
well seeing as i have the actual power numbers written down i don't have to guess. i think you've forgotten the 1 z2 was with 15's. my car, alan's, and most i have worked on are very close to 3db. so i'll stick with my statement.

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Ryan...you are confusing me here.If you switched to 18's,and gained over the 15's,your loudest certified.score still doesn't reflect a 3db gain.You had 8 z2's right? Unless your number has been higher than your highest certified score,I still can't see where you are getting 3db,everytime you double power.8 amps= 166.7, 4 amps= 163.7, 2 amps= 160.7, and 1 amp= 157.7

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TEAM DD
2009 SS-NW AND STREET C(THEY'RE HERE)
2008 TRUNK MODIFIED WORLD RECORD HOLDER (153)12v certified legal TL
2008 2007 PRO TRUNK WORLD FINALS (150.9<150.2)12v
2006 PRO TRUNK 1x WORLD RECORD HOLDER(151.2)12v
2005 NSPL TRUNK STOCK WORLD RECORD HOLDER(148.1)12v
2005 1x NSPL TRUNK STOCK WORLD CHAMPION 12v
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Originally posted by banginAltima:

After reading this thread I can't help but think what a joke!

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Message subject: Team
From: banginAltima
Sent at: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:27 pm
To: Mr.Sears 153+ Trunk

Message

I had thought about asking to join your team before. But now that Zach is on the team I don't think it would work. Also, i think DJ may have an issue with it. Plus the distance that we live apart would be an issue.

While I am no where near is loud as you were, I think I am loud with the equipment I have.

I would like to meet you some time and get your advise.I plan on hitting a lot of NSPL shows. I was looking the other day and I think I would kick ass in either 0-1800 or 1800-3600. The numbers those guys are putting up in those classes are not that great.
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I am not assuming anything about your #'s. It does make me wonder though when you make a post on Termpro asking others for their opinion because you can't get your #'s at a show?
And no, you don't have to show me anything. But, you cannot gripe about what I "say" I can do either until to show me what you "say" you can do, correct?

Maybe by Finals I will be done with my goals and will be able to play in the car classes. Until then, we will have to settle for some Bass Racing. That is if you get by Derrick first.
Just kidding man, was that to far?

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First off the point of my topic here on Termpro was only to ask any Focus owners if there is anything I'm missing in the car and since you don't own the car there's not a lot of help you can offer.

Secondly I have done higher numbers in testing, everyone on our team has. We don't do them at a show if we don't have to. The rest of the Db Drag community doesn't have to know that though so I said that I'm having a bit of trouble getting the car to do the numbers at a show so someone may be more likely to lend a hand.

If you want a number in Dilion then that's what you'll get. I can't say how big it will be just yet, but I do know what I have done in testing so I at least know what to expect. It is a higher number than anyone has ever seen in one of the car classes for NSPL so be prepared for history to be made.

As for the getting past Derrick remark that won't be a problem, I promise you that. One loss here in the state of NC and now you think that I'm week. I'm still the one to beat no matter a loss or not. That's why the Team Nemesis guys were so quick to talk sh!t about it even since it was a bullsh!t win in the first place. They were happy that I had finally lost and it was by a fluke anyway. I'm going to change one thing from now on and that's to not under estimate my competition no matter who they are. It has gotten me into trouble in the past and look what just happened recently when I did the same thing.

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2009 NSPL Car 3601-Up Watt Record Holder: 152.6db
2009 NSPL Car Hardcore Record Holder: 155.2db
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Originally posted by clkwrkorg36:
if it takes 1400 to do 150.3 then 1000 more would definitely be 2db, if not more.

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Please tell me if this is the case Walt what amps were used to do what numbers and please give me the voltage and amperage out of each amp? I doubt you even know what each amp was making since they don't even clamp your amp at a comp only show to begin with.

Now on another note I know what the phuck I heard on the telephone and I'll try to refresh your memory a little bit here. The conversation went a little bit like this:

I asked you about Derrick's score in the 0-500 Truck/Suv class and you told me that he used a single saz1500d to do the 150.3 that he did. I said what kind of power do you figure he was making, and said do you think it was around 2000? You replied with a yes about that. I then asked you what kind of power it took you to do the same number in your crx and you said the same. I was shocked and I asked you again if it would take you 2000 watts to do a 150.3 and Derrick 2000 watts to do the same number don't you think that's a little strange. I was asking you if you thought his expo was louder than your crx off of the same power and you basically said it was the same.

Now I know what was said over the phone and you can sit here all day and deny it or say whatever you want, but I'm calling you out on your saz1500d only making 1400 watts at .5 ohms. How the hell is it that I am making 1700 watts out of mine at .5 with a rise to 1.7 ohms and your making less power? The 1500d's are stronger than that and it would still make around or a little over 1400 watts at just under 2 ohms because I've tested it myself.

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2009 NSPL Car 1801-3600 Watt Record Holder: 151.2db
2009 NSPL Car 3601-Up Watt Record Holder: 152.6db
2009 NSPL Car Hardcore Record Holder: 155.2db
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Originally posted by Derrick824:
He would have had to have rise up to near 2ohms to only be capable of 1400watts. At a High Point show last year Jay's saz-1500d was clamped at 1300watts rising from 1ohm to 2ohms.

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Then there must be something special about my saz1500's then. Here are the numbers right off of my NSPL score sheets from Fred.

3-1-09 High Point, NC
A/C volts:54.3
A/C current:28.5
Power:1547.55 watts
Impedence rise:1.90 ohms

4-26-08 Greenville, NC
A/C volts:55.6
A/C current:29.9
Power:1662.44 watts
Impedence rise:1.85 ohms

5-9-09 High Point, NC
A/C volts:54.6
A/C current:32
Power:1747.2 watts
Impedence rise:1.7 ohms


Those numbers are completely accurate and I doubt that Walt has nearly as much rise in his setup as mine. I really don't think that he's going from .5 ohms all the way up to 2 ohms. I can play a higher frequecy like 51hz and my rise drops down to 1.29 ohms and my power goes up to 2142 watts.

Walt is definately playing a much higher frequecy than I am playing in my car and a higher frequecy equals less impedence rise. The only way it's possible is if Walt's box weren't efficient as mine, but being able to do a 150.3 off of only 1400 watts sounds like a pretty damn efficient setup to me. Unless it wasn't 1400 watts to begin with.

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2009 NSPL Car 1801-3600 Watt Record Holder: 151.2db
2009 NSPL Car 3601-Up Watt Record Holder: 152.6db
2009 NSPL Car Hardcore Record Holder: 155.2db
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