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I fail to see how painting is re-enforcing the panel?
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quote:Originally posted by TeamSubGoPoof: So if you guys say you can't have a custom door panel, then you're going to make it where a new tuner guy can't compete at all?
I had door panels that housed 4 6.5s per door in street max and never had anything said to me.
The Rileys had an insert on their doors 5+ years ago
And Geoff I bet its only a tenth or two gain if that
You keep thinkin that I already know the gains in my van.
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* For clarification purposes, the dBDRA uses the term "modification" to describe changes to the vehicle that have been made in order to accommodate the sound system or to improve the competitor's score.
Some examples of passenger compartment modifications include:
o Replacing the OEM glass o Replacing the OEM dashboard o Replacing the OEM seats o Reinforcing the door panels o Floor build-ups and roof build-downs o Removing or replacing the OEM center console
A Special Note on Equivalent Replacements:
* There are several areas in the rulebook where the term "equivalent replacement" is used. The dBDRA considers an equivalent replacement to be a replacement that closely resembles the OEM product it replaces in both form and function. This includes structural rigidity, cosmetics, and size.
I think rules is in plain English
Wht part of the phrase "This includes structural rigidity,COSMETICS and size" is unfamiliar???
Painted fiberglass Panels in Pantas is NOT OEM EQUIVELANT ....!!!!
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A Special Note on the Installation of Speakers other than Woofers:
Speakers that are less than 10 inches in maximum diameter may be installed anywhere in the vehicle, provided their installation does not violate any other existing rule. It is permissible to strengthen door panels at the location where speakers are installed in the doors. Door pods are also permissible, as are custom fiberglass "build-outs" or other modifications that are made in order to accommodate speakers in the installation location.
^that is copied directly from the rulebook
It clearly says as long as you build custom door panels and put speakers smaller then 10''s in them then its totally legal
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So you think you can do your full door with fiberglass with speakers????
Oh no, Mister, you are wrong? A door like in the picture we have seen is absolutly a no go.
quote: Door pods are also permissible, as are custom fiberglass "build-outs" or other modifications that are made in order to accommodate speakers in the installation location.
Location means if you have in original paneel placed 2 speakers in the lower part of the door, you can make your custom paneel in the same area like the originals and not over the hole door. This is the part: * There are several areas in the rulebook where the term "equivalent replacement" is used. The dBDRA considers an equivalent replacement to be a replacement that closely resembles the OEM product it replaces in both form and function. This includes structural rigidity, cosmetics, and size.
quote:Painted fiberglass Panels in Pantas is NOT OEM EQUIVELANT ....!!!!
And if a other Judge means that this is bull**** what i say, please PM me.
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ive been told a few times that painted pannels are not legal. but i keep seeing them so im just going to make some and then c what happens its not just illegal for pandas cause i have been told no in my mountaineer and crx. but i really was refering to the rear panels that has been legal in some cars in the past
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I want to make nice looking door pods with 2 set's of 6.5 MQ Qurt systems. This will be total for demo... music and show. It will not be removeable and will diff. not take up more than 4L of space. Is it ok? I know from how I read the rule book, I may do it if it is for show and it work's. I just want to have prob at finals.
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Wayne could you give us a clarification on this rule. i was going to put four sets of 6.5's in my doors as well and before i do the work would appreciate a ruling on this,
Thanks Steve
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quote:Originally posted by dB Drag Feldjaeger: @ Chris In your Panda?
Regards Mike
Yes, in my baby.. I will redo the Paint and seats... Nice looking inside.
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quote:Originally posted by BoomKing: So I would have to say based on these examples as long as you don't change the thickness and strength, the texture or finish should not matter,
correct
Ok, so you agree with this, and yet later you say you cannot paint the panel? I can see the point with big strong speaker build outs, but painting a panel???? Some of us are just trying to make our old faded crap plastic panels look better.
Wayne has said many times that cosmetic or custom install(within reason) is fine, as long as it is not blatantly making a stronger spl improvement.
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quote:Originally posted by dB Drag Feldjaeger: So you think you can do your full door with fiberglass with speakers????
Oh no, Mister, you are wrong? A door like in the picture we have seen is absolutly a no go.
quote: Door pods are also permissible, as are custom fiberglass "build-outs" or other modifications that are made in order to accommodate speakers in the installation location.
Location means if you have in original paneel placed 2 speakers in the lower part of the door, you can make your custom paneel in the same area like the originals and not over the hole door. This is the part: * There are several areas in the rulebook where the term "equivalent replacement" is used. The dBDRA considers an equivalent replacement to be a replacement that closely resembles the OEM product it replaces in both form and function. This includes structural rigidity, cosmetics, and size.
quote:Painted fiberglass Panels in Pantas is NOT OEM EQUIVELANT ....!!!!
And if a other Judge means that this is bull**** what i say, please PM me.
no sir YOU are wrong...section 3-8 says you are wrong and you are arguing with the rule book
You could build a gigantic door panel with 100 8'' speakers in them if you wanted and it would be totally LEGAL because section 3-8 says so
This is EXACTLY why we shouldn't have head to head with europe and USA because there is such a variance in judging
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quote:Originally posted by dB Drag Feldjaeger: So you think you can do your full door with fiberglass with speakers????
Oh no, Mister, you are wrong? A door like in the picture we have seen is absolutly a no go.
quote: Door pods are also permissible, as are custom fiberglass "build-outs" or other modifications that are made in order to accommodate speakers in the installation location.
Location means if you have in original paneel placed 2 speakers in the lower part of the door, you can make your custom paneel in the same area like the originals and not over the hole door. This is the part: * There are several areas in the rulebook where the term "equivalent replacement" is used. The dBDRA considers an equivalent replacement to be a replacement that closely resembles the OEM product it replaces in both form and function. This includes structural rigidity, cosmetics, and size.
quote:Painted fiberglass Panels in Pantas is NOT OEM EQUIVELANT ....!!!!
And if a other Judge means that this is bull**** what i say, please PM me.
no sir YOU are wrong...section 3-8 says you are wrong and you are arguing with the rule book
You could build a gigantic door panel with 100 8'' speakers in them if you wanted and it would be totally LEGAL because section 3-8 says so
This is EXACTLY why we shouldn't have head to head with europe and USA because there is such a variance in judging
Justin is right.. It does not state OEM installation location. It only talks about where the speaker is placed.
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Were does the line in the sand start and end. What is ok and what is dq material. Who's judging? Too many questions.
hmm, if a person is in DB DRAG. Trying to place 1ST place.. do you really think the custom door skins are for looks? Do you think a ricer going to compete in db drag is going to take 1st place against a full blowen db drag car. If your doing record #'s make sure you cant get dq'd over fancy door skins. I would stay with oem panels if I was in record contention.
quote:Originally posted by Rip Rock: Were does the line in the sand start and end. What is ok and what is dq material. Who's judging? Too many questions.
hmm, if a person is in DB DRAG. Trying to place 1ST place.. do you really think the custom door skins are for looks? Do you think a ricer going to compete in db drag is going to take 1st place against a full blowen db drag car. If your doing record #'s make sure you cant get dq'd over fancy door skins. I would stay with oem panels if I was in record contention.
That may be true but why would it be fair to let the ricer run with his doors?
Heres a pic of my door panels I ran on my street max truck...I ran these for 3+ years and no one ever said anything
Bob has ran his doors for a few years and nothing has been said as well.
If they are FUNCTIONAL and look nice and are obviously not just to increase SPL then I don't see a problem with it.
Bob drives his van, doesn't tow it and probobly wants to listen to some music. Same thing with my old truck I drove it everywhere and wanted some tunes.
The Rileys old flamer van had those fiberglass build outs as well and ran them for AT LEAST 2 years
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quote:Originally posted by Rip Rock: Were does the line in the sand start and end. What is ok and what is dq material. Who's judging? Too many questions.
hmm, if a person is in DB DRAG. Trying to place 1ST place.. do you really think the custom door skins are for looks? Do you think a ricer going to compete in db drag is going to take 1st place against a full blowen db drag car. If your doing record #'s make sure you cant get dq'd over fancy door skins. I would stay with oem panels if I was in record contention.
Exactly!
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quote:Originally posted by Rip Rock: Were does the line in the sand start and end. What is ok and what is dq material. Who's judging? Too many questions.
hmm, if a person is in DB DRAG. Trying to place 1ST place.. do you really think the custom door skins are for looks? Do you think a ricer going to compete in db drag is going to take 1st place against a full blowen db drag car. If your doing record #'s make sure you cant get dq'd over fancy door skins. I would stay with oem panels if I was in record contention.
That may be true but why would it be fair to let the ricer run with his doors?
Heres a pic of my door panels I ran on my street max truck...I ran these for 3+ years and no one ever said anything
Bob has ran his doors for a few years and nothing has been said as well.
If they are FUNCTIONAL and look nice and are obviously not just to increase SPL then I don't see a problem with it.
Bob drives his van, doesn't tow it and probobly wants to listen to some music. Same thing with my old truck I drove it everywhere and wanted some tunes.
The Rileys old flamer van had those fiberglass build outs as well and ran them for AT LEAST 2 years
In that case I need to make a nice BIG fiberglass panel on my doors to listen to music as I'm loading the van into my trailer! It's not to strengthen the door it's just for tunes!
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people have been arguing over this since atleast 1999. here is my question all the oem pins for my pannles on the doors broke cause i got a lil mad one day can i screw the pannel to the door or do i have to go get new ones?
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quote:Originally posted by BIG D of pa: people have been arguing over this since atleast 1999. here is my question all the oem pins for my pannles on the doors broke cause i got a lil mad one day can i screw the pannel to the door or do i have to go get new ones?
Send a pic to a judge to be safe imo. I have seen door panels at finals with screws in them before, more than once.
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well any news on whats ok or not and i would think painting the door panel would be ok and as for bobs van being illegal i would think its fully legal and if not then i would think that head judge/owner wayne harris would of dq'ed it at 07 world fianls he was standing right there next to it when bob blow the windshield right out of it and the doors where open for a long time right in the lanes. NOT everyone is trying to cheat to win we would like are cars/trucks to look nice for the people looking at them and sound good also not look like sh*t
quote:Originally posted by BIG D of pa: people have been arguing over this since atleast 1999. here is my question all the oem pins for my pannles on the doors broke cause i got a lil mad one day can i screw the pannel to the door or do i have to go get new ones?
why not they do it to the pandas they do one finnish washer and drywall screw for each pin this is what i was told. and i have had this done to my yougo for 2 yrs know and have been to a few 3x shows and it was deemed fine. as long as its one screw for each pin.
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i would still like a ruling on this from wayne to make 100% sure before i do all the work to my truck just to find out that the weeks worth of time and money was for nothing and have to tear it all back out
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