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i need to put a brace from the floor to roof in my cab to keep the van from explodeing! but last year there was a rule that say no bracing in open area! but the brace will be on driver side about 20" or so away from door! be cuse there is no center consl. there at finals i was told to remove it even when it was not interfearing w /anything. is this rule been reworked yet!? and can i put it back now? please!
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quote:3-11b Each vehicle MAY have a center console.
Additional Guidelines:
· The center console may not exceed the height of the lowest part of the top of the dash.
· A minimum “open space” distance of 13 inches (33.02 cm) MUST be provided at ALL points between each side of the center console and each door. (Measured horizontally and perpendicular to the centerline of the vehicle.)
· Center consoles must not interfere with the “String Test”. Competitors may “notch” their consoles or make the console easily removable to comply with this requirement.
· If no center console is present, then the 13 inches (33.02 cm) closest to each door will be treated as the open space area.
3-11h Competitors MAY install bracing if desired.
Additional Guidelines and Examples:
· The maximum aggregate width for all bracing in front of the B-Pillars is 6 inches (15.24cm). (To determine compliance with this guideline, find the widest point on each of your braces. Next, add these maximum widths together. The total value must be 6 inches (15.24 cm) or less.)
· The “open space” area defined in section 3-11b must remain free of bracing.
· If the brace “Y’s” into 2 or more arms, then the width of the brace shall be considered as either the sum of the widest point on each arm, or the maximum width of the single “leg”, whichever is larger.
Open space area is 13 inches from the door card.
20 inches from the door card is free for the centre console build or bracing.
Thats how I read the rules last year and this year, nothing has changed.
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AT Finals if the roof brace was atached to the floor and the ceiling it was Illegal. Steve, and many other people were froced to remove there Brace so something has changed. Attach it to some part of the little console that you do have and you should be fine. Thats were mine is attached.
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Yeah, I saw NO reason that Steve had to cut that brace out at finals in the first place.
Steve, have you checked to see if it affects your score much by "attaching" that bar to the console, technically making it part of the console? If that bar was floor to ceiling, pressed right against the console, with bondo wrapped around it "connecting" it, I would think it would be considered part of the console?
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I'm with Mike - I'd think that if it was touching in some way shape or form it'd be considered part of the console...
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quote:Originally posted by NDMstang65: I'm with Mike - I'd think that if it was touching in some way shape or form it'd be considered part of the console...
Well the consol can´t be higher then the dash...
But when I asked last year I got the awnser that bracing from the centerconsol to the roof is LEAGAL.
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This rule is currently being re-discussed in the judges forum.
The rule is clear.
quote:· A minimum “open space” distance of 13 inches (33.02 cm) MUST be provided at ALL points between each side of the center console and each door. (Measured horizontally and perpendicular to the centerline of the vehicle.)
· If no center console is present, then the 13 inches (33.02 cm) closest to each door will be treated as the open space area
let me try to re word this rule.
We need an "Open Space" in the vehicles to get them more opened up and not so boxed in. This minimum space is 13"
So, when building a console the closest you can build this too the door is 13". You can build it further away if you wish. In this "Open Area" there can't be any bracing.
If you chose NOT to build a center console, this "Open Area" is determined 13" away from the door. Any this past this area can be modified such as building a console.
In Steve Cook's case he had a brace in this "Open Area" even though the brace was further than 13" away from the door.
Here is another rule that applies to this topic -
quote:Competitors MUST maintain a minimum 30 inch (76.2 cm) vertical separation between the headliner (roof build-down) and the floor (floor build-up) at ALL locations within the passenger compartment except over the center console and the dash.
Additional Guidelines:
· A 30-inch (76.2 cm) rod will be used to determine compliance. The judge will hold the rod vertically and move it around inside of the passenger compartment. If the rod’s movement is impeded, then the vehicle fails compliance with this rule.
· Bracing located outside of the “open space” area defined in section 3-11b shall not constitute an impediment to this test.
This rule means anything in this open area would impead the 30" rod test, including bracing. Bracing attached to or part of the center console would not be counted in this test.
This rule was discussed at finals and was talked about being changed for this season. For some reason it was not. The rule still stands as posted above.
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what would make most sense is that the rule said no braceing 13" from door to inside of cab! so now its ok to have a brace from roof to floor 13" from door if you have no center cons! but if you have a center cons. you cant have a brace from roof to floor even if its 13" away from door?!! this makes no sense at all! i just want to keep my roof from coming off!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by TEAM LOUD Steve Cook: what would make most sense is that the rule said no braceing 13" from door to inside of cab! so now its ok to have a brace from roof to floor 13" from door if you have no center cons! but if you have a center cons. you cant have a brace from roof to floor even if its 13" away from door?!! this makes no sense at all! i just want to keep my roof from coming off!!!!
Build a middle console that is 3/4" tall and mount the brace on top of that. No rule on saying how large or small the middle console can/should be.
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little lost hear the rules say · If no center console is present, then the 13 inches (33.02 cm) closest to each door will be treated as the open space area · A minimum “open space” distance of 13 inches (33.02 cm) MUST be provided at ALL points between each side of the center console and each door. (Measured horizontally and perpendicular to the centerline of the vehicle.)
By reading the rules the way they a written it state the open area as 13 inches by 30 inches tall. if there was a roof to ceiling brace at 13.1 inches from the door it would be outside the "open area."
maybe once again I am reading the rules as what is written not what they mean..
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I'm pretty sure the "intent" of the rules was the 13"x30" free space area.
Unfortunately the way it was worded, the only way that would apply is if you didn't have any center console at all.
I think most of us looked past it the way it was worded, the typical case of the rules being WAY to detailed...
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quote:Originally posted by J_P: little lost hear the rules say · If no center console is present, then the 13 inches (33.02 cm) closest to each door will be treated as the open space area · A minimum “open space” distance of 13 inches (33.02 cm) MUST be provided at ALL points between each side of the center console and each door. (Measured horizontally and perpendicular to the centerline of the vehicle.)
By reading the rules the way they a written it state the open area as 13 inches by 30 inches tall. if there was a roof to ceiling brace at 13.1 inches from the door it would be outside the "open area."
maybe once again I am reading the rules as what is written not what they mean..
wrong. if you have a console the MINIMUM space you can have is 13". So the closest you can build your console to your door is 13". If your console is 24" or 36" away then that would be considered the 'maximum' I guess. The more you move the console over the bigger the "Open Space" gets.
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going by that logic you could build a 1 inch tall concole from the 13 inches of "open space" to your reel concole. put your roof to ceiling brace there. call that slight step in the floor part your center concole. right
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Yeah, you could, but then your console sucks, and will probably cost you more in SPL than the brace could gain you.
By current wording, the only thing you could do is brace from the console to the roof, or make a brace, then build your console around it....
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going by that logic you could build a 1 inch tall concole from the 13 inches of "open space" to your reel concole. put your roof to ceiling brace there. call that slight step in the floor part your center concole. right ........can you do that?!
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if we are really reading the rules? where in the rules does it say you MAY build a concole to roof brace? the only brace the rules say you can have is -floor to ceiling- would be in the "open area"-illegal -floor to dash?- would also be in that open area- illegal -dash to ceiling- providing that it is located infront of the concole outside the open area would be legal.
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