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Ok he has four SVC Pioneer TS-W3041C Or pioneer pro 12" subs, they have fairly puny magnets http://images.cardomain.com/products/pio/PIOTSW3041C_2.jpg thats the link for a pic of the subs. They are being powered by an 81000D as far as i know he is running it at 4ohm in a 4.5cu ft box common chamber sealed box. Any idea what hes doing, or what i will need to beat him, hes the loudest in my town. Right now i have 2 alpine type R's being pushed off of an mrv-t757. I cant get more than two subs, and they need to be either 12s or 15s. Can you guys tell me what i need? Im trying to keep the price for every thing around 800 to 900 dollars. With. I can get an orion HCCA 275G4 for $450, for that price, is there any other amp you would reccomend? If not, just tell me some subs to get. Sorry for the long post.
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what is he getting meterded at because you can not really tell if he is the loudest without the meter. I think that if you build the box right then you could possibly beat him with the right box and the tuning. You need a meter or you guys will never be able to really tell who is the loudest.
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a guy that onwns a shop got metered at 143's, and this guy is louder than he is. But he hasnt gotten metered yet. Nor have I. But im not running anything like he has, only 2 12's and a 400rms amp, the 81000D's do like 800rms at 4ohms. Im thinking like two 15's? Tell me what you guys think.
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well if he's running a 1000d, I'm sure he's running it at 2ohm, and the subs are probably dvc's cause that would just be a waste of power, so he's must have them @2ohm, getting 250watts a piece. If he's not then he's an idiot for wasting power. If he's got the full 1,000watts, then he' probably doing 147-48 at tops, my buddy was doing 145.6 w/3 12 and 1,400watts. If he's only running it @4ohm, then he can't be doing more than 145. If you want to beat him then I suggest more power and either a pair of 12's or 15's ported will be him. I would run 1,000+watts and 2 12's and you'll do 147+ if they are ported. That's plenty to beat him with, and if you went with 15's, you'd be even louder. I wouldn't get the Orion amp, you can get more power for less. Look into Audiobahn, they make great amps at affordable prices. I bought my a2200hc over a year ago for $450 new, it was rated at 1,600x1@1ohm, and did 1,849wrms@1ohm. Very clean and powerful amps. I would look into the JLw3's or the Cerwin-Vega Vega series subs, both are great subs for the money. The Vegas are a little cheaper and will get a little louder. The 12 only cost $135 new a piece. The w3's are like $155 new. I hit 144's w/2 Vega 12's and 600watts, and 148's w/4 and 800watts. My buddy hit 145.6 w/3 12w3's sealed and 1,400watts, now he has 2 of them ported and he's doing 147-48. Also Shocker II woofers are great subs for cheap, though i'm not sure what they go for.
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go with a 15 and the ported box because that will give you more cone area just make sure that you have the room for a big ported box and the power for the sub.
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i know that hes running svc subs, and pioneer only makes 4ohm svc. If i were to go with 2 15's and say 1600 watts...i should shatter whatever hes got going. And if they are ported, it would be even greater. Anyone got some sub suggestions, and an amp...im trying to keep it around 800 bucks, thanks.
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quote:Originally posted by ptownTSI: i know that hes running svc subs, and pioneer only makes 4ohm svc. If i were to go with 2 15's and say 1600 watts...i should shatter whatever hes got going. And if they are ported, it would be even greater. Anyone got some sub suggestions, and an amp...im trying to keep it around 800 bucks, thanks.
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quote:2 DD3515's and a Cadence A7HC - you can find one for 400 if you are "special"
HMMM... doesnt sound like a bad idea at all...actually, its a very bad idea...bad. . How much are the 3515's going for these days? DD have any sales going still for the holidays?
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Definately go with two 3515s, but I'd run a D2 to them instead, it puts out more power.
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Well the system I did for a friend had 4 sealed solo 12's and a mmats d200hc and did 151.3 The system I had for a brief period was a pair of solo 15's running off a rubicon 1002 and mine was louder than his by quite a bit. I was doing about a 153. What kind of car do you have? That will make a big difference in the numbers you put up.
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got an alpine MRV 1507 for sale on ebay if ya want it, i could end the sale early or cancell it. looking for 350 opening bid on ebay with no reserve. it puts out 900 watts and has a cooling fan so it doesnt shut down, EVER! email me at shanechristiansen@hotmail.com if you are interested!
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quote:Originally posted by ptownTSI: If i were to go with 2 15's and say 1600 watts...i should shatter whatever hes got going. And if they are ported, it would be even greater.
It's not about power, and how big something is, it's about efficiency. You can take 2 bad ass 15s and run 1000 per sub to them, but if your install is not done right and you just slapped 6 pieces of wood together and called it a box, it's worthless. So what i'm saying is that $2000 worth of equipment can be beaten by $500 worth of equipment, with some work. Also, the 3512s would be good subs to run.
quote:It's not about power, and how big something is, it's about efficiency. You can take 2 bad ass 15s and run 1000 per sub to them, but if your install is not done right and you just slapped 6 pieces of wood together and called it a box, it's worthless. So what i'm saying is that $2000 worth of equipment can be beaten by $500 worth of equipment, with some work.
That is very true, of course Axil, i was not planning on doing some shotty job on the install. I have heard the horror stories of guys getting like 8 12's and getting beat by a guy with 2 12's or 1 15. I understand most of it is in the install, but i could have the best install in the world, and with only my type R's, and say 600 watts to each one, there is still no way I could beat him. To some extent, you can replace displacement with a good install. The subs will be going in the back of my Grand Cherokee. I took out the spare, so i have have plenty of room for a nice box. Those 3515s are expensive guys!! I could get two kicker 15" L7's off of ebay for like 500!! I understand that they are awesome subs, but i think its a bit out of my grasp for this install. Later on down the road, i'll probably have more money for them. Thanks for all the help with everything so far.
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Why don't you port those Type-Rs? My friend ported our other friends Type-Rs to around 27hz and they got significantly louder ported. They're in the back of a ford explorer, so similiar to your Cherokee. Just seems to me that the Type-R is a much better sub than the Pioneer.
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If 143 is all you have to beat, the TYPE R's ported would easily do that with the right power. Hell you could do 143 with a single 10, I bet that would embaress the hell out of this guy with 4 12s Posts: 751 | From: Conyers | Registered: Nov 2001
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i think i have to be about 146-148's to beat this guy, because he is louder than the guy that did a 143. Not by much, but he is, it was only through listening though. I think iggy did like 149.7 with his two type R's...i dont think i could pull those numbers, but im sure i could tie this guy with my subs, i just want to make sure im ahead if we go and get metered.
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I know how good those IMPP subs are, I for fun had 2 12" Pioneer IMPP's and hit a 146 with 600 watts, he could easily be in the 150 range. Not only do you have to beat him on a meter, you want to be able for people to hear the difference also. I would definately go with 15" subs no less, you need that deep bass feeling that's loud as hell. I would go with 2 15" JL W3's tuned to bout 40 hz. With no less than 1200 watts. I would definately invest in a Shredder for your amplifier, find them here for less than $375 that leaves you with $525 to spend on a pair of subs. I think you have enough for the DD3515's which would be an obvious choice.
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there's a lot that can be louder than what he hass, but don't judge by ear, cause an ear and meter are way different, i sounded louder than a 144 before, but got beat by 3db's so don't set yourself up
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quote:Originally posted by ptownTSI: i know that hes running svc subs, and pioneer only makes 4ohm svc. If i were to go with 2 15's and say 1600 watts...i should shatter whatever hes got going. And if they are ported, it would be even greater. Anyone got some sub suggestions, and an amp...im trying to keep it around 800 bucks, thanks.
Actually the do make dvc subs, were have you been? And if they are SVC wired in series, then parallel, that would cause a hell of a lot of canacellation since you're not supposed wire subs in series, only voice coils. I'm sure he's got them running @2ohm. Like if not then he's just plain stupid.
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