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I wanted my fellow forum members to know I do have color codes for alarm connections in most vehicles made in the last 15-20 years. This includes remote start, door lock, alarm, etc.. connections. I have the 3 volume set "BOOK III" from Omega R&D. Dont hesitate to ask if anyone needs help with this information. BTW I am also a locksmith, I am well versed with new Factory security features, such as GM VATS (this has been around for 15+ years actually) many of you may not be aware, but some new cars have keys with built in radio transponders. I bet many of you didn't know that some new Toyotas with transponder keys, if you lose all of your keys, the vehicle has to get a new "Brain module"...Not even the dealer can produce a new key. I understand this costs around several thousand dollars...
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quote:Originally posted by SS Mobile Xcitement: Hey TQ.
Have you used these books extensively yet? I've heard them to be unreliable. I was wondering if its true.
I know tech soft is extremly acurate, but unless your selling DEI, I don't know of a way to get it.
Also could you verify something for me, I need door lock wires color/location for a 95 talon. Thanks!
I have been an Omega dealer for years, and yes, these books are very reliable. I rarely find a mistake, although I have.
Door locks on 95 Talon.... LOCK= BROWN/WHITE (Brown w/ white stripe) UNLOCK= BROWN At relays on relay block to the left of the steering column. This is a negative pulse type system...the easiest to interface due to the fact that many alarms put out a negative pulse for the door locks. you may not even need relays to interface your door locks with an alarm system. BTW..If yours is a late 95 you may find the wires at a 20 pin connector high in the driver kick panel
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Hi Tq I have a clifford concept 20 that I installed myself years ago in my probe, well now I have installed the same alarm in my '90 camaro, everything works except for the remote start it stays reving and won't turn over,I think I have the right tach cable=white by the distributer cap thanks
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quote:Originally posted by dsaint1347: Hi Tq I have a clifford concept 20 that I installed myself years ago in my probe, well now I have installed the same alarm in my '90 camaro, everything works except for the remote start it stays reving and won't turn over,I think I have the right tach cable=white by the distributer cap thanks
You are correct with the tach wire, it is white located at the distributor. Most likely the problem you are having is, the VATS system. I am sure you have noticed that resistor chip embedded in your key. You can use a relay and resistor to temporarily bypass the vats system, only when remote starting. Most alarm manufacturers make a kit that is easy to use. Check with Clifford.
You could do this yourself, you will need to measure the resistor in your key, go purchase a resistor at Radio Shack +/- 10% of yours. You will also need a SPDT relay. The VATS wires are 24 ga. white, enlosed in an Orange sleeve. DO NOT CONFUSE THESE WITH THE AIRBAG WIRES (IF EQUIPPED). The airbag wires are usually enclosed in a Yellow sleeve. You tap a wire from the Ignition output of the remote start unit to pin 86 of the relay. You will need to diode isolate this wire. Pin 85 on the relay goes to ground.
Cut one of the white vats wires. The "Key" side of this wire goes to pin 87a. The "vats module" side of this wire goes to pin 30 of the relay.
Now wire the correct resistor in between the uncut white vats wire, and pin 87 of the relay.
I hope that was not too confusing. An easy for you to see if it is the VATS system keeping you from remote starting is, insert the key into the ignition, dont turn it on, and try to remote start. If it starts, then you know this is the problem.
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Thanks Dave but I already bypassed it and tried remote starting the car with the keys in it and it cranks but it just revs real high and then it shuts off, almost as if it does not sense the tach wire tap I did, maybe it has to do with my extending the wires? Clifford does not want to aid me nor do thier dealers just cause I did it myself. Again Thanks
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I need the wiring codes for an ungo ms9000 to bew put in a Chevy Blazer 84' S10 series . I have no booklet for the ungo or the Blazer. Any help would be apprieciated.
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quote:Originally posted by dsaint1347: Thanks Dave but I already bypassed it and tried remote starting the car with the keys in it and it cranks but it just revs real high and then it shuts off, almost as if it does not sense the tach wire tap I did, maybe it has to do with my extending the wires? Clifford does not want to aid me nor do thier dealers just cause I did it myself. Again Thanks
Unfortunatly I am not familiar with the Clifford unit. One more thing to check would be, make sure you are powering the ignition #2 wire when remote starting. This can be found at the ignition harness. It should be Orange. Let me know if this helps. I will keep thinking...The reason it shuts off is probably because the tach sensor wire is working, and detects the high reving engine. This will cause most remote start units to shut off.
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quote:Originally posted by mgarreans: I need the wiring codes for an ungo ms9000 to bew put in a Chevy Blazer 84' S10 series . I have no booklet for the ungo or the Blazer. Any help would be apprieciated.
I don't have info on the UNGO, but I can give you info on the Blazer. CONSTANT 12V+ RED @ IGN HARNESS IGNITION 12V+ PINK @ IGN HARNESS STARTER YELLOW @ IGNITION HARNESS DOME LIGHTS WHITE (-) @ PIN SWITCH PARKING LAMPS (+) BROWN @ SWITCH POWER LOCK LIGHT BLUE @ DRIVER KICK PANEL POWER UNLOCK BLACK @ DRIVER KICK PANEL DOOR LOCKS = REVERSAL REST AT GROUND TYPE SYSTEM HATCH RELEASE BROWN (+) @ RELEASE SWITCH OEM HORN BLACK (-) @ STEERING COLUMN HARNESS
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quote:Originally posted by moneybag: Wiring codes for power windows in Chevy Suburban 88' and anything else you can manage to find on wires in those books! Thanks!
driver front: up-dark blue down-brown
pass front: up-dark blue/white down-tan
driver rear: up-dark green down-violet
pass rear: up-light green down-violet/white
All of these wires can be found at the main switch. This is a reversal rest at ground type system.
If you need more info on this vehicle let me know.
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Thanks Very MUCH David, Ya I kinda figured you might know a little about those type of vechiles! Ya anything else you can tell me about it would be great! It is getting a FULL install soon and anything that I know before I start is greatly welcome!
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quote:Originally posted by moneybag: Thanks Very MUCH David, Ya I kinda figured you might know a little about those type of vechiles! Ya anything else you can tell me about it would be great! It is getting a FULL install soon and anything that I know before I start is greatly welcome!
Yea mine is an '86 Heres what I have CONSTANT 12V+ RED (2) @ IGN. HARNESS IGN 12V+ PINK @ IGN. HARNESS STARTER YELLOW OR PURPLE @ IGN. HARNESS DOME LIGHTS WHITE OR ORANGE/BLACK ***NOTE*** If equipped with aux. lighting option, the dome lights can be turned off by a switch that interrupts the door pin circuits to the courtesy lights, use ORANGE/BLACK (-) @ THE SWITCH. If Aux. lighting package in not present, use WHITE (-) @ PIN SWITCH PARKING LAMPS BROWN (+) @ LIGHT SWITCH POWER LOCK LIGHT BLUE @ DRIVER KICK PANEL POWER UNLOCK BLACK/WHITE OR BLACK @ DRIVER KICK PANEL ***NOTE*** Power locks are "Positive pulse" type system. These are easy to work with. Some alarms have positive pulse outputs that connect directly to the wires without the need for additional relays. Most alarms have negative outputs that will need to be switched to positive with the use of relays. Many companies make a convient plug in relay socket for this. IGN KEY WARN LIGHT GREEN (-) @ STEERING COLUMN HARNESS OEM HORN BLACK (-) @ STEERING COLUMN HARNESS HEADLIGHTS YELLOW (+) @ HEADLIGHT SWITCH TACH SIGNAL WHITE @ DISTRIBUTOR IGNITION #2 ORANGE @ IGN. HARNESS ACCESSORY BROWN @IGN. HARNESS NEUTRAL SAFTEY ORANGE/BLACK (-) GEAR SELECT SWITCH BRAKE LIGHT WHITE (+) @ SW. ABOVE BRAKE PADAL REVERSE LIGHT LIGHT GREEN (+) @ GEAR SELECT SWITCH
SPEAKERS DRIVER FRONT 3 1/2" (+) TAN (-) GRAY PASS FRONT 3 1/2" (+) LIGHT GREEN (-) DK. GREEN DRIVER REAR 4"X10" (+)BROWN (-) YELLOW PASS REAR 4"X10" (+) DK. BLUE (-) LT. BLUE
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I have a mercury switch that only has two wires coming out of it. when the switch is tilted one way, the circuit is completed, and vice versa. I was wondering how I could hook this into my viper 550esp?
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Hey, I need all the wire codes for a 99 dodge grand caravan for remote start/alarm Also if you have them the Radio wire colors. I am lazy and don't feel like spending 2 minutes figureing them out
Thanks in advance.
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quote:Originally posted by Macross: I have a mercury switch that only has two wires coming out of it. when the switch is tilted one way, the circuit is completed, and vice versa. I was wondering how I could hook this into my viper 550esp?
If your alarm requires a negative trigger, connect one (either one) of the wires on your mercury switch to ground. The other wire goes to the negative trigger circuit on your alarm. If the alarm requires a positive trigger, connect one wire (either one) to 12v+ constant, the other to your positive trigger input of your system.
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2000 Suburban, just the radio part and also I heard a rumor today that something like the power to the gas pump is wired to the radio so if you remove the radio it won't start? Any one know about this? Mabey not the gas pump but just some stupid starter kill or something.... Thanks
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quote:Originally posted by dsaint1347: hey while we are at it do you think I can just use another manufactors remote start along with my clifford alarm?
Absoulutely, as long as you have an extra channel output on your alarm.
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quote:Originally posted by moneybag: 2000 Suburban, just the radio part and also I heard a rumor today that something like the power to the gas pump is wired to the radio so if you remove the radio it won't start? Any one know about this? Mabey not the gas pump but just some stupid starter kill or something.... Thanks
I do not have my 2000 update yet. I haven't heard about the interupt you mention. I would highly recommend using a harness adapter with this one. If you are installing an aftermarket radio this is the best way to go.
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