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I listen to it at competition settings, the curve looks like a platform steps ------ ------ ------- When you build a good car, it will do everything well, so why change the ideal SQ setting.
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I never changed curves or presets...used the same one for daily, comps, and SPL/RTA.
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Hmmm, I never looked at the DB difference, I adjust the area by ear to the correct level, then make sure we are about even across that spectrum. Those steps are regions though, not frequendies. If I were to guess at the DB difference I would say between 2-4 db....I don't use a typical RTA...
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I keep mine about the same. I might bump up around 1k slightly if I'm using my changer because it seems to crud vocals but lately I haven't been using it at all.
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quote:Originally posted by redbaron80: SQ whats that....?
Add 2 more letters PL
SQ people seem to be quite anal about their systems as I would expect but there always seems to be an underlying condescending attitude that anything else is less than civilized ie. SQPL systems.
The way I see it I believe SQ is very important but if you have a well thought out plan that happens to include thousands of watts of bass other than the potentail db level how does this detract from a well thought out SQ vehicle?
I know about high sensitivity "SQ" woofers vs. big bad "SQL" woofers and the only difference I see is what you like... top notch SQ or top notch SQPL I know the 2 crowds will never see eye to eye I'm just stating my observations.
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Typically the setups required to get these high SPL's generally go against what is needed for SQ purposes. I'm not saying it isn't possible, just the mindset of SQ competitors doesn't really include huge amounts of bass. We have SPL testing in SQ and to most people it isn't a big deal, it along with RTA testing really doesn't prove anything about how good a system sounds (which is the SQ guys primary goal).
It isn't that other systems are inferior, they are just for vastly different purposes. When you have a message board that is mostly SPL people and a small sliver talking about SQ, typically the SPL guys come in and say things like dumping 8 bizzilion watts into a system to go bwaaaaappp and post a number. The OP was about varying SQ setups from competition to daily driving. Not that SQ people are so 'superior' we get annoyed when our discussions get totally sidetracked.
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quote:Originally posted by big noiz: SQ people seem to be quite anal about their systems as I would expect but there always seems to be an underlying condescending attitude that anything else is less than civilized ie. SQPL systems.
don't know how that assessment was reached with this thread
Was just curious how the SQ competitors here tune their car differently from competitions to daily driving.
Kind of like how SPL guys have a port for daily and another for burps...but over the entire spectrum instead of just sub frequencies.
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I know Deafy, just responding to the boom comment thats all.
Seems like most SQ competitors will leave their systems the same for comps and daily which makes sense to me cuz if it sounds great at the show why would you want to change it?
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Hence my saying that RTA testing is pretty useless because it doesn't do anything to prove how good a system sounds. Only proves that you know how to use an equalizer. Also I think that when you go real heavy on the EQ regardless of the curve that it starts to sound like crap. Might be because of the fact I have cheap equipment though.
I hate the way my setup sounds totally flat.
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If a system is loud--but linear--I have no problem with calling that SQL or whatever. What Winslow is building is headed towards this type of system. With the power he has, and the speakers he is planning on using, I expect it to be stupid loud. But I also expect that he will keep it linear in fashion.
But if a system has a stupid amount of bass, and the rest of the system can't keep up with that--it is $hit when it comes to SQ. You can add whatever letters on to SQ as you want--it is doesn't make the vehicle sound any better.
A stand up bass should sound like a stand up bass---not rattle the entire vehicle. A kick drum should sound like a kick drum, not smear all over the place--and it should never come from the rear of the vehicle.
What I see is people who have VERY loud levels of subbass, and then something so that they can hear words in songs--and they call it "SQL". There is no detail to the sound, tonality is horrendous, no depth, no width to the soundstage. It is loud bass and half the other instruments and some distorted vocals.
If they like it--that is really all that matters. But don't act like it has anything to do with an SQ vehicle.
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Agreed, its the fact that a lot of people have absolutely no concept of what SQ is.
SQ encompasses a whole range of things, none of which are crispness and tightness.
If you want to really build and SQL vehicle, you would need to build a sound quality vehicle that has the ability to play very loud w/out distortion (although truly, it will only stay "SQ" by definition up to a certain point) and add the low end that the SPL guys seek.
You can't do it by adding crispy loud seperates to an SPL car, there is so much more involved than that to add the "SQ" Even then its a compromise, as you can't do either one really well at the same time. You could have SQ settings, with tons of wattage to subs in a box tuned to 60 hz, and just cut the subs low enough so they don't see that frequency and do well on tonality, then with a different setting you could knock out 150's. However this is not what anyone is talking about when they say SQL. Past a certain point you have to give up SQ to gain SPL and vice versa. Winslow's car will probably maximize the potential of the that inbetween state, but when he cranks it past that it becomes a car that can play wicked loud while still being linear (a feat in and of itself) but it would score low if a qualified judge judged it that way.
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You never heard Harry Kimura judge a car I guess...How far will the volume knob go? That's how far he turns it. My car will be built to bring back some of the good traits from early SQ cars.
I don't really think you have to give up SQ to get loud fullrange SPL...or visa versa.
And I agree with what Andy and the rest of what Eastcoast says.
Thanks for the props on the car...if it doesn't sound good, atleast it will be loud .
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quote:Originally posted by Cinco5: When you have a message board that is mostly SPL people and a small sliver talking about SQ, typically the SPL guys come in and say things like dumping 8 bizzilion watts into a system to go bwaaaaappp and post a number. The OP was about varying SQ setups from competition to daily driving. Not that SQ people are so 'superior' we get annoyed when our discussions get totally sidetracked.
That's the link to where we are at - THE SOUND QUALITY FORUM. The picture at the top left says "audio forum." Yeah it's for an SPL competition organization, but people don't listen to test tones while driving to and from work every day. If that was the case and some oddball came in here I could see this happening.
There have been enough people to want to talk about SQ in this forum to have its own section. Why can't that be respected?
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