posted
I'm planing on making a really nice sq setup down the road.I want it to be nice clean hard hitting but loud bass. I've looked at everything but just havn't been too sure on what to get. I would like it to be loud of course..Price range,lets say around $700 or so for sub and amp.
-------------------- "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts"
Albert Einstein- Posts: 227 | From: SC | Registered: Aug 1999
| IP: Logged |
The trend seems to be the better a sub sounds, the less output it has. If you want a nice mix I recomend the IDmax. No affiliation with ID and don't like a few of their products but I find this sub to be the best of the supersub category, it does what its supposed to do. And to my ears, in the installs I have heard, its not dry like the brahma and XXX (have run both in my own setups) and not "buttery" or tainted like the W7. Like mentioned above, it fits the trend, IMO it sounds better than the others, but it also has less maximum output.
Posts: 2276 | From: East | Registered: Jan 2003
| IP: Logged |
posted
i've come to the realization sq is what you make it. to some, good sound is a fart box tuned to 45hz & as long as the mids can hang with the bass...people will compliment the great "sq"
--------------------
quote:it would all be for nothing without my favorite cawk-smoker NAvi
posted
I agree with the "dry" sound of the Brahma----but to me it doesn't "color" the sound like most sub drivers do----nothing against the IDMax(great sub) but I love my Brahma!!
-------------------- 2005 Dodge Magnum RT AWD HU---Pioneer Premier DEX P9 Processor----Pioneer Premier DEQ P9 front stage---Vifa front stage amp----Phoenix Gold MS1000TA subwoofer---Adire Audio Brahma 15(2.75cubes sealed) subwoofer amp---Revolution D1500.1(@1 ohm)
quote:Originally posted by deaf tones: i've come to the realization sq is what you make it. to some, good sound is a fart box tuned to 45hz & as long as the mids can hang with the bass...people will compliment the great "sq"
Agreed....it's because to most of the people on this forum SQ means crisp highs and tight bass. It would be interesting to see how many actually know what Sound Quality (as outlined by the many competition organizations) really means.
Posts: 2276 | From: East | Registered: Jan 2003
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by MagnumRT: I agree with the "dry" sound of the Brahma----but to me it doesn't "color" the sound like most sub drivers do----nothing against the IDMax(great sub) but I love my Brahma!!
You can crap on the max if you want, I didn't make it
But having run the Max, the Brahma, and 2 different XXX's (never liked the w7 so never ran one) I find the max to be more involving, the brahma and XXX are like ginger ale. They are all great subs the latter are just a tad too cold for my taste...but I ran them successfully when they fit my application. With 1 brahma 10 in .4 cubes downfiring and 1.6k watts in a HUGE vehicle I did a 134 on the dash on the ac190, which is what I needed it for other than assistance in the 20-40.
posted
I like ginger ale-----I never have liked the sound of the W7 myself either------but back to the question at hand----SQ is based upon your frontstage and trying to get as much upfront bass and have good frequency response that sounds natural----next car I get is something I can cut to do a 3 way comp. set with a small 10 up front.
-------------------- 2005 Dodge Magnum RT AWD HU---Pioneer Premier DEX P9 Processor----Pioneer Premier DEQ P9 front stage---Vifa front stage amp----Phoenix Gold MS1000TA subwoofer---Adire Audio Brahma 15(2.75cubes sealed) subwoofer amp---Revolution D1500.1(@1 ohm)
posted
me, I wouldn't go through the trouble for putting a small single 10 upfront in a car...well, I have done it twice, and neither time it worked out as well as having the subs in the rear.
You want great upfront bass? Get some subs that have a low moving mass and a strong motor and some decent midbasses. That is the ticket to getting everything to blend. Those subs with heavy cones and sub 70dB- low 80dB effeciencies will never blend properly with the front stage, and they will always sound thick and muddy.
I'd rather have a Max over the other heavy ineffecient "supersubs" any day. The JL W6v2 line is a good sounding product unlike the W7s.
-------------------- Team Image Dynamics/Zapco/Werewolf/JK Lab Team Kinetik Sick Bastard Audio SQ Who feels it knows it Posts: 7993 | From: Charlotte,NC USA | Registered: May 1999
| IP: Logged |
posted
I agree with Winslow. I'll also add that you really do want some cone area for subbass. As importantly you need some high quality midbass drivers.
I moved my sub this year from being a more front mounted 10" to a rear firing (mounted behind the front seats) 12". I also upgraded my midbass drivers from some 6 1/2's that were "good" to some Dynaudio MW170's. I've had a fellow competitor ask me where my front mounted sub was, and one ask me how I got the 170's to play all the way down.
A small 10" may sound like a good idea, but it rarely will work the way you want. I am by no means a bass head, but to get true SQ at the levels that judges are listening at---you need something bigger.
posted
How did all of this go to discussion about my upfront 10"?
My 10 was mounted in the front not for up front bass, but because it was a work vehicle and I used the rear space every weekend for my floor machines...there was no place else to put it that would be secure...before competing it was in the back and I used to take it in and out. If anything, it blended worse in the front.
It was a 10 because the space between the seats was 11" thats all I could fit between the seats.
quote:Originally posted by winslow: You want great upfront bass? Get some subs that have a low moving mass and a strong motor and some decent midbasses. That is the ticket to getting everything to blend. Those subs with heavy cones and sub 70dB- low 80dB effeciencies will never blend properly with the front stage, and they will always sound thick and muddy.
I couldn't agree more. Ideally you want LMM subs in a number that gives the SD needed to play loud and avoid distortion. I also don't want the sub crossed any higher then 40hz. I've heard people say it can't be localized below 80 and use this as the rule for sub cutoff. But there is a difference between localization and up front bass.
IMO, depending on the slope, not too far past 40 and it can start to creep back on you.
Posts: 2276 | From: East | Registered: Jan 2003
| IP: Logged |
![[Frown]](frown.gif)
![[Confused]](confused.gif)
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
![[Wink]](wink.gif)
![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Printer-friendly view of this topic