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DarkAcura
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Are aluminum cone subs better for sq such as the eclipse, A/D/S/, and the infinity perfect?

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I wouldn't say one material is better than another, but I love the way my Eclipse 8815s sound.

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i agree, i love my aluminum cone on my Perfects.

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Hartke uses them on all there bass guitar enclousers. It give a better life and little more treble.

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A stiff cone (and especially dust cap) can extend high frequency response. In general, there is no better cone material than any other.

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I havn't heard a set of components made of aluminum that I liked, however, I've heard a few subs that sound awesome, and some that sound like crap using aluminum. There is no magic cone material or box.... a/d/s/? aluminum sub??????? Did I miss something?

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I was told that Alumni Pro's sound much better than any paper or poly prop. speaker.
And to wreckmaster I was wondering if I could post some pictures of your rig on my webpage if so please e-mail me -Thanks

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DarkAcura
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http://www.adst.com/3sub/312rs.html

Audiophyle check out the above link, its the 3-series 12 inch sub.

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Yeah, after reading the original post, I went and checked out the website. Now I need to find an a/d/s/ dealer and go have a listen!!!

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Is there anything aluminum cones do better/worse than other cone materials? Assuming that the install is well done.

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Well as far as the sound of alums subs. Like was said some are VERY good and some are like ass. But the way something sounds can vary from person to person.

I dont think that a alum cone is necessarly better then a non alum one. But go and take a listen to what you have in mind and go from there.

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Damn Rob, your up to 2.2K posts now....

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I love the way Eclipses sound, the aluminum makes em great. If I ever design a speaker, I think I'll use something a little less wussy, like 14 gauge steel.

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your ear should be your judge not others opinions, then again everyone does have one. by the way he who dies with the most toys still dies, the government takes your sh1t and buys a toilet to remember you by...

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some like al. because it supposed to raise the freq. at which the cone starts to break up. This is like saying paper is better than al or ploy just because it's been used longer

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After some discussion with Oz audio on this topic, I understand something a little better. Aluminum cones reduce "beaming" of a speaker, basically smoothing out the speakers Fs, or lowering how peaky that freq can be. Also, an aluminum cone theoretically will play lower notes louder due to the increased mass of the cone, however, this has trade offs due to a much stiffer suspension being needed, reducing the speakers ability to reproduce those same notes! A last note, paper cones still have a better stiffness to weight ratio! And the best ratio belongs to Kevlar.... ala Focal!

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Well Audiophyle thanks for noticing..lol...

Also I know that some alum cones had a distinct "ringing" to them.

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Thanks for all the input guys!

Hey No_Bass, where you deprived as a child? I vote the more toys the better, what ever type of toys (car audio stuff for me ) you perfer!

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that's why the use Al. for subs more often as to have the x-over and spks natural roll over combat the overhang or ringing. In mids if a 24dB is used and a notch filter that cna be reduced

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i just have 2 stick in with my opinion...
i just bought my swedish dls mw-sub
which the cone is made by magnesium!
it has a very distinct punchy bass with
good cone control...
i'm pleased

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What about titanium cones?........

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be kind of hard to make a cone outa TI

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spydermann

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I could see it being cost prohibitive!

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STILL waiting to hear a GOOD pair of HLCD's!!

If it dont fit, force it... if it breaks, it needed to be replaced anyway...

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From what I have personally heard, the Alumapro Alchemy blows away any other aluminum sub in SQ. They are all around very light weight sub using an Enkei(yeah, the wheel company) basket and of course having an aluminum cone. Xmax on the 12" is 12mm too which is surprisingly good. I would use these over any other aluminum sub for SQ, and would use Eclipse if you want a lot more help in the SPL part.

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to answer the question on the Titanium Cones, The new Eclipse 88000 series subs (replacements to the 8800s), are titanium alloy. Also, the surround on these babies is absolutely enormous. The rms ratings on them are 750-1500rms. I am anxious to debut them.
-Jesse

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